Potential inside an non conducting sphere given the potential on the sphere.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential and electric field inside a non-conducting sphere, given the potential on its surface. Participants explore the implications of surface potential on charge distribution and the methods to derive the internal potential and fields using mathematical equations.

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  • One participant inquires about the relationship between the potential on the sphere and the charge distribution within it, questioning whether a charge buildup is necessary.
  • Another participant suggests that without knowing the charge distribution inside the sphere, the problem cannot be solved, proposing that the scenario may involve a linear dielectric with a surface charge distribution.
  • A participant provides a specific potential function for the sphere and expresses the need to find the potential and electric fields both inside and outside the sphere, as well as the surface charge density.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the relationship between the electric field and charge, emphasizing that the divergence of the electric field relates to charge density and that the Laplacian operator can express charge in terms of potential.
  • Participants discuss the need to solve the Poisson equation to find the potential and field inside the sphere, mentioning the importance of boundary conditions and the method of spherical modes for solving the equations.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of knowing the charge distribution to solve the problem, and there is no consensus on the approach to take for calculating the potential and electric fields inside the sphere.

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Participants reference mathematical equations such as the Laplace and Poisson equations, but the discussion does not resolve the specific assumptions or conditions required for their application. The implications of the surface potential on charge distribution remain unclear.

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Given the equation for the potential "on" a non conducting sphere how can the potential and electric field inside the sphere be calculated?
If there is a potential on the sphere am I to assume that there must therefore be a charge build up in the sphere? Is this just calculated by the Laplace of the potential? How does the potential inside the sphere differ from that on the sphere?
 
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If you do not know the charge distribution inside the sphere, you cannot solve this problem. I would guess that what you are actually looking for is field inside a sphere of linear dielectric with surface charge distribution and neutral interior. In that case, yes, you solve Laplace equation. You know that [itex]\nabla \cdot E = 0[/tex] from Maxwell's eqns, and [itex]E = -\nabla V[/itex] is the equation for potential. In static case, you get [itex]\nabla^2F = 0[/itex], which you solve for given boundary conditions. If you decompose your surface potential into spherical Bessel functions, it should be a snap.[/itex]
 
Thank you for your reply.

All I am given is:
The potential on a non-conducting sphere or radius a is given by
V = V0(cos2[tex]\theta[/tex] +cos[tex]\theta-1)[/tex]

And with that I should be able to find the potential and electric fields inside and outside the sphere and the surface charge density?
 
sonjar88 said:
Thank you for your reply.

All I am given is:
The potential on a non-conducting sphere or radius a is given by
V = V0(cos2[tex]\theta[/tex] +cos[tex]\theta-1)[/tex]

And with that I should be able to find the potential and electric fields inside and outside the sphere and the surface charge density?

K^2 is slightly mistaken since the divergence of the electric field is related to charge, we can express charge in terms of the Laplacian operator on the potential. Specifically,

[tex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbf{E} = -\nabla V[/tex]

[tex]\nabla^2 V = -\frac{\rho}{\epsilon}[/tex]

The applied electric field will induce a charge distribution which is why the right-hand side of Gauss' Law is non-zero here even though the original sphere has no net charge.

Since you are already given the potential distribution on the surface, it is simple vector calculus to find the applied field and induced charge distribution on the surface.

Now finding the distribution of charge, the potential, and the field INSIDE the sphere is a different matter as K^2 is talking about. You then have to solve for the Poisson Equation. First, the solution to the Laplacian Equation,

[tex]\nabla^2 V = 0[/tex]

gives you your homogeneous solution. Then you have to solve for the Poisson Equation given the boundary condition for the voltage and charge on the surface.

[tex]\nabla^2 V = -\frac{\rho}{\epsilon}[/tex]

This is usually done by decomposing the solution and boundary condition into spherical modes and solving for the unknown coefficients by mode matching with the boundary condition.

EDIT: Griffiths' book gives a good explanation on how to do this.
 
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