Power 4 equation to Quadratic factors

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The discussion centers on factoring the polynomial x^4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. Participants suggest starting with the form (x^2 + ax + b)(x^2 + cx + d) and solving a system of equations derived from this expression. It is noted that some polynomials may not have real quadratic factors, and the complex roots of x^4 + 1 are identified as the four roots of unity. The method involves multiplying pairs of factors to check for real coefficients. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding both real and complex roots in polynomial factorization.
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Hi,

I have a problem with splitting x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. How can this be done?

Cheers.
 
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Hi basil! :smile:

Say we split it as

x^4+1=(x^2+ax+b)(x^2+cx+d)

Try to factor the left side. You'll obtain a system of equations that you need to solve...
 
basil said:
Hi,

I have a problem with splitting x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. How can this be done?

Cheers.

What do you mean by this? Do you want to factor it into:

x4 + 1 = (x2 + ax + b)(x2 + cx + d) where a,b,c,d are real?

If this is the case, some functions might not have real "quadratic factors". The only way to know for sure is to look at the complex roots of

x4 + 1 = 0

and multiply. For instance, the only roots of this are the four roots of unity:

r = e^{\frac{i \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 3 \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 5 \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 7 \pi}{4}}

So we can factor into:

x4 + 1 = (x - e^{\frac{i \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 3 \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 5 \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 7 \pi}{4}})

Now multiply any two arbitary factors together and if you get all real numbers in the quadratic, you have a winner.

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Side note: If you haven't learned about complex numbers yet, I can't think of a better way of doing it than this.
 
micromass said:
Hi basil! :smile:

Say we split it as

x^4+1=(x^2+ax+b)(x^2+cx+d)

Try to factor the left side. You'll obtain a system of equations that you need to solve...

This might be take less time for this problem. I'd race you but I have no paper. :frown:
 
gb7nash said:
If this is the case, some functions might not have real "quadratic factors".

All real polynomials can be split into real quadratic and linear factors! :smile:
 
Just for reference, and function with a power of 4 is a quartic.:wink:
 
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