Power Bike With Lead Acid Gel Battery: Advice Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the setup of a power bike utilizing a permanent magnet DC motor, a lead acid gel battery, and an inverter. Participants explore the feasibility of connecting the battery to the inverter for backup power and the implications of voltage regulation and charging methods.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup and inquires about connecting a lead acid gel battery to the inverter for backup power, mentioning a process called forward/reverse biasing.
  • Another participant suggests using a diode OR circuit as a potential solution for connecting the battery and inverter.
  • A participant questions whether their regulator's output voltage of 12.5 volts means the inverter would continuously draw from the battery.
  • Concerns are raised about the inverter drawing current from the battery if the generator is not running, potentially leading to battery discharge.
  • A participant clarifies that while the battery typically outputs around 12 volts under load, the charging voltage is usually higher, around 13.6 volts, and discusses the implications for inverter operation.
  • Recommendations are made regarding connecting the battery to the inverter/regulator output and adjusting the regulator to charge the battery, along with the suggestion of having an indicator for pedaling effort.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the interaction between the battery, inverter, and regulator, with no consensus reached on the optimal configuration or the implications of voltage differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions regarding voltage levels, the behavior of the inverter under different conditions, and the potential for battery discharge, but these aspects remain unresolved.

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I currently have a set up where I have attached a permanant magnet dc motor to a bicycle. The motor is attached through a diode to a 12v regulator and then to a 12v to 240v inverter. Everything works fine and I can power up my devices.

But I have been told that if I connect my 12V lead acid gel battery to the inverter as well via a diode, this will act as a back up source, so if I stop pedalling, the battery will power the inverter via a process called forward/reverse biasing.

Please can I get some advice on this and whether it will work?

Thanks
 
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Thank you for your reply, that was a really positive answer for me. I have a reulator in the circuit too which outputs 12.5 volts. Does this mean that the inverter would constsantly run off my battery?

I was thinking of charging the battery by simply making a constant current charger using the lm317. Would you recommend this? Also, this would not effect the process of the inverter using the highest voltage from the two dc sources would it?

Thanks
Mitul
 
If your generator is not running, and your inverter is still connected, then yes, it will draw current from the battery and/or charging circuit. If the charging circuit cannot supply what the inverter will draw, then the battery will be getting discharged some.
 
Thanks for your reply. What I intended to say was that my generator is regulated to 12.5 volts. Does this mean that voltage will be drawn from the battery as I have read that the battery gives out approximately 13v and the inverter draws from the source providing the highest voltage. Sorry for asking such questions, I am just trying to understand how this would work.

Thanks
 
The battery will produce close to 12v with a load on it.
However, charging voltage is usually about 13.6v.

Given that most 12v inverters a designed to operate connected to a car, then this voltage swing shouldn't present a problem unless you have an unusual inverter.

All you should need to do is connect the battery to the inverter/regulator output junction and adjust the regulator to charge the battery.
You might want an indicator to show you are pedaling hard enough to keep the battery from being discharged.
Do some reading on automotive charging circuits.
 

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