Practical cosmology and cosmology physics

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The discussion revolves around the conference "Problems of Practical Cosmology" held in June 2008, focusing on various aspects of cosmological physics, including the large-scale structure of the Universe, galaxy evolution, and observational tests of cosmological models. Participants explore different approaches and ideas presented in the conference papers, particularly questioning the cosmological standard model.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the conference's emphasis on discussing new developments in cosmological physics, including the introduction of the term "Practical Cosmology" by Allan Sandage.
  • One participant references a paper questioning the observational evidence for the cosmological standard model, indicating a critical stance towards established theories.
  • Another participant recommends Y.V. Baryshev's paper, which discusses conceptual issues with the Friedmann standard model, including energy conservation and the nature of cosmological redshift.
  • A participant raises concerns about the validity of assumptions regarding the energy budget of the universe in light of dark energy and dark matter discoveries, suggesting a need to reconsider foundational concepts.
  • There is mention of challenges posed by the condensed matter community regarding the emergence of attributes like mass and gravity from a de-confined perfect liquid state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the critical evaluation of the cosmological standard model while others focus on the implications of new evidence. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the validity of existing cosmological assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the assumptions underlying the energy budget calculations and the implications of dark energy and dark matter. There are unresolved questions about the emergence of fundamental attributes in cosmology.

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arXiv:0809.1084 [pdf]
Title: Practical cosmology and cosmological physics
Authors: Yu. Baryshev (1), I. Taganov (2), P. Teerikorpi (3) ((1)Astron. Inst. St.-Petersburg Univ., (2)Russ. Geograph. Soc., (3)Tuorla Obs. Turku Univ.)
Comments: 16 pages, summary of the conference "Problems of Practical Cosmology", June 2008, St.-Petersburg, Russia, full texts of all reports see this http URL
Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)

We present a summary of the International conference "Problems of practical cosmology", held at Russian Geographical Society, 23-27 June 2008, St.-Petersburg, Russia, where original reports were offered for discussion of new developments in modern cosmological physics, including the large scale structure of the Universe, the evolution of galaxies, cosmological effects in the local stellar systems, gravity physics for cosmology, cosmological models, and crucial observational tests of rival world models. The term "Practical Cosmology" was introduced by Allan Sandage in 1995 when he formulated "23 astronomical problems for the next three decades" at the conference on "Key Problems in Astronomy and Astrophysics" held at Canary Islands. Now when the first decade has passed, we can summarise the present situation in cosmological physics emphasizing interesting hot problems that have arisen during the last decade. Full texts of all reports are available at the website of the conference.

http://eprintweb.org/S/article/astro-ph/0809.1084
 
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Hi Wolram,
Thanks for the reference.

I recommend reading Y.V. Baryshev's paper in Session V, "Expanding Space: the root of conceptual problems of the cosmological physics." It provides a nice, succinct overview of a few important conceptual issues with the Friedmann standard model: violation of energy conservation in expanding space, the nature of cosmological redshift, and the Hubble-deVaucouleurs paradox.

Jon
 
wolram
Sun glasses and headphone time.
Don't be so hard on the learning process ...
Cosmology is an extrapolation of experimental evidence.
New evidence ...
Energy Budget distribution
1. Looking at how the energy budget of the universe used to be calculated.
2. Trying to see if those same assumptions would still work with the discovery of dark energy and dark matter.

However, as we speak, the condensed matter community is sending out another challenge.
Can those assumption still be valid if you started out from a de-confined perfect liquid of quark gluon with no mass, no gravity, no electrons no photons, no EMF.
I guess that we would first have to figure out how these attributes became emergent.
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