Pressure/Flow Fluctuatons of a nozzle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding the causes of pressure and flow fluctuations in a nozzle setup. Participants explore potential factors affecting the performance of nozzles, including design, fluid dynamics, and mechanical integrity. The context includes technical reasoning and exploratory hypotheses related to fluid mechanics and nozzle behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the orifice size may be altered due to weak springs or loose gaskets, indicating that the issue may lie within the malfunctioning nozzle.
  • Another participant questions the setup details, asking about the nature of the fluid, the testing method (single nozzle vs. multiple), and how the pressure measurements were obtained.
  • Concerns are raised about the sensitivity of the pressure valve to variations in pressure and flow, which could lead to oscillations in the readings.
  • Some participants propose that vortexes or eddies caused by sharp bends or misalignment of the orifices might contribute to pressure fluctuations.
  • Entrained air in the system is mentioned as a possible cause of pressure variation, with the suggestion that bubbles could form at the capped end of the nozzle.
  • Cavitation around sharp corners is also considered, although it is noted that this would likely occur at a higher frequency than observed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a lack of consensus on the exact cause of the fluctuations, with multiple competing hypotheses presented. There is agreement on the need for more detailed information about the nozzle and setup to further investigate the issue.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include missing details about the nozzle design, the specific type of fluid used, and the methodology for measuring pressure fluctuations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the mechanical and fluid dynamics involved.

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Looking for some help in understanding what may be causing pressure/flow fluctations on a nozzle.
Details: The nozzle is basically a 1/4" tube about 3/4" long with one end capped. About 1/4' from the capped end are two orifices 180 degrees apart. The open end of the tube is subjected to calibrating fluid at 49 PSI. Flow from the orfices measures about 2.00 lbs/minute from each orifice. Fluid is at 85 degrees F.

Issue: Some nozzles exhibit a pressure fluctuation of about +/- 2 psi. This occurs at a rate of about 3 times per second. Flow is affected in the same way. Some nozzles exhibit this while others exhibit a contant flow and pressure. This is repeatable. Plumbing, pumps, etc. have been changed with not effect. We do not see anything different between the two types of nozzles.

Any thoughts as to the cause of this phenomina is appreciated
 
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The orifice size may be seeing small miniscule alterations in size due to weak springs,loose gaskets etc without knowing more about the nozzle and its type I'm only guessing here. The fact that some nozzles work correctly lead me to believe the problem is within the nozzle that is not working correctly bad seals etc.
 
How do you cap the tube?
 
You really haven't explained your setup completely.
I assume your fluid is something like water

Are you testing one nozzle at a time, or do you have a string of nozzles on a run of tube being tested all at the same time, with some nozzles acting up and others not.

And how is the "calibrating fluid at 49 PS" generated and where is this pressure meter.

You say "Some nozzles exhibit a pressure fluctuation of about +/- 2 psi. This occurs at a rate of about 3 times per second. Flow is affected in the same way"
How did you determine the 2psi variation?

And are both orifices on a "bad" nozzle affected at the same time or alternately?

You obviously say you have some type of noticeable flow variation in certain nozzles.
1. The pressure valve you are using is sensitive to a certain pressure and flow and because the orfices are not all the same size, the "bad" nozzles will cause the pressure valve to oscillate at the frequency of 3 Hz you mention.
2. You have a vortex or eddy from a sharp bend or obstruction that causes a swing in pressure at the orifice. Perhaps the 2 orifices are misaligned from the 1/4 inch from the end of the nozzle tube, to cause a pressure variation to swing back and forth from orifice to orifice.
3. You have entrained air in the system. Perhaps a bubble has formed at the tip where the capped end is and acting to cause pressure variation.
4. Is there any chance of cavitation around a sharp corner, but that would be at a higher frequency I would bet.
 
256bits said:
You really haven't explained your setup completely.
I assume your fluid is something like water

Are you testing one nozzle at a time, or do you have a string of nozzles on a run of tube being tested all at the same time, with some nozzles acting up and others not.

And how is the "calibrating fluid at 49 PS" generated and where is this pressure meter.

You say "Some nozzles exhibit a pressure fluctuation of about +/- 2 psi. This occurs at a rate of about 3 times per second. Flow is affected in the same way"
How did you determine the 2psi variation?

And are both orifices on a "bad" nozzle affected at the same time or alternately?

You obviously say you have some type of noticeable flow variation in certain nozzles.
1. The pressure valve you are using is sensitive to a certain pressure and flow and because the orfices are not all the same size, the "bad" nozzles will cause the pressure valve to oscillate at the frequency of 3 Hz you mention.
2. You have a vortex or eddy from a sharp bend or obstruction that causes a swing in pressure at the orifice. Perhaps the 2 orifices are misaligned from the 1/4 inch from the end of the nozzle tube, to cause a pressure variation to swing back and forth from orifice to orifice.
3. You have entrained air in the system. Perhaps a bubble has formed at the tip where the capped end is and acting to cause pressure variation.
4. Is there any chance of cavitation around a sharp corner, but that would be at a higher frequency I would bet.



I concure with this post explained in greater detail than i did LOL. We definitely need more detail on the nozzle to further help you (even a part number that we can find a mechanical breakdown on the internet) would prove highly useful.
 

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