Pressure in Liquid: Why Height Doesn't Matter

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The discussion revolves around the concept of pressure in liquids, specifically addressing the relationship between pressure, depth, and the transmission of pressure in a liquid medium. Participants explore the apparent conflict between the statement that pressure increases with depth and the assertion that pressure is transmitted equally in all directions within a liquid.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the statements about pressure in liquids are in conflict, particularly regarding the role of height in pressure calculations.
  • One participant describes an experiment involving a ball filled with water and holes, expressing confusion about why pressure at the bottom hole should be greater than at the top hole, despite the assertion that pressure is transmitted equally.
  • Another participant clarifies that pressure at a given depth is the same in all directions, suggesting that the confusion arises from misinterpreting the phrase about equal transmission of pressure.
  • Some participants introduce Pascal's principle, explaining that transmitted pressure often refers to external pressure applied to a liquid, which is distinct from hydrostatic pressure that depends on height.
  • A participant with extensive experience in fluid mechanics expresses skepticism about the interpretation of pressure transmission in the context presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of pressure transmission in liquids, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the relationship between depth and pressure.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of pressure transmission and hydrostatic pressure, as well as the implications of experimental observations on theoretical concepts.

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I am reading pressure in liquids and at one point it states that

Pressure of liquid at any point = Depth x Density of Liquid x g (gravity)

But then it continues to state that

Pressure is transmitted in liquid equally

when I studied earlier that pressure in liquid increases with height then how come the other statement is correct - I mean why here height does not matter ?
 
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What makes you think that these statements are in conflict?
 
Chestermiller said:
What makes you think that these statements are in conflict?

As per the experiment if I have a ball filled with water and make holes in it in many places - now pressure exerted by water on the walls of the ball is same across the surface of the ball - now this is what confusing me - let us say that the height / depth of ball is h. So the pressure exerted at the hole in the bottom of the ball should be more than the hole at its top.

But what would happen if we squeeze the ball filled with water and having holes across?

I may be missing something please correct my understanding?
 
PrakashPrasad said:
As per the experiment if I have a ball filled with water and make holes in it in many places - now pressure exerted by water on the walls of the ball is same across the surface of the ball - now this is what confusing me - let us say that the height / depth of ball is h. So the pressure exerted at the hole in the bottom of the ball should be more than the hole at its top.
You're right that the pressure exerted at the hole in the bottom of the ball is more than the hole at its top. I think your issue is with the phrase "pressure is transmitted in liquid equally (in all directions)." What this means is that, at a given depth (i.e., locally), the pressure is acting equally in all directions. This means that if you could situate a tiny element of surface area within the liquid, the force per unit area acting on that tiny element of surface area would be independent of the direction you oriented the element. So, for example, in the case of your ball, the pressure would be the same at all the holes that are located at a given depth.
 
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The pressure that is "transmitted" usually refers to a pressure exerted from the outside, like with a piston. This is called Pascal's principle and is illustrated many times with a hydraulic press with two cylinders of different diameters.
At any point in the liquid you will have that pressure plus the hydro-static pressure, that one that depends on height.
 
nasu said:
The pressure that is "transmitted" usually refers to a pressure exerted from the outside, like with a piston. This is called Pascal's principle and is illustrated many times with a hydraulic press with two cylinders of different diameters.
At any point in the liquid you will have that pressure plus the hydro-static pressure, that one that depends on height.
In my judgement (based on over 50 years of fluid mechanics experience), this is not a good way to look at it.

Chet
 

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