Pressure on heated water tank (rocket)

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a water heater rocket as tested by Mythbusters, specifically focusing on the pressure and force calculations involved in the experiment. Participants explore the implications of these calculations and the accuracy of the show's portrayal of physics concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Mythbusters computed a final pressure of 85,000 pounds but questions the method used for this calculation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the figure mentioned is likely a force rather than pressure, suggesting that 244 may refer to pressure in psi.
  • A later reply confirms that the relationship between pressure and force is simply pressure multiplied by base area, dismissing the idea of an additional term in the calculation.
  • One participant critiques the overall physics presented in Mythbusters, stating that while the force on the bottom of the tank is computed correctly, it may not be a useful quantity for understanding the experiment.
  • Another participant references an earlier episode where the water heater rocket was tested, providing details about the conditions and results, including the failure pressure and calculations related to kinetic energy and flight time.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of Mythbusters' reported height of the tank's flight, suggesting that their method of calculating height based on time in a vacuum is flawed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the physics presented in Mythbusters, with some supporting the calculations made while others challenge their validity. No consensus is reached regarding the reliability of the show's portrayal of the experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the estimated fill level of the tank and the conditions under which the experiments were conducted, which may affect the interpretations of the results.

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Mythbusters did a test to see if a water heater would shoot through the roof of a two story building (home). They close all orfices, heated the water and it soared through the roof. They computed the final pressure as 85,000 pounds. As I recall they computed this by multiplying the area of the cylinder times its length times psi, then by another number, which they did not explain. 244. Maybe it was temperature (F). What law was used?
 
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That's force they computed, not pressure. 244 is probably pressure in psi.
 
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Quite possibly. I can't go back to validate it though, since it has now been swept off my DirecTV.
 
I cheated and watched it on youtube:
There is no magic extra term (and the length isn't in there either).
It's just pressure x base area = force.
 
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As a general rule, physics in MythBusters is pretty terrible. The force on bottom of the tank is computed correctly, of course, but it's not a terribly useful quantity.

If you take a look at an earlier episode where they originally tested the water heater rocket, you can do some extra math. If you happen to have Netflix, it's episode 7 in Big Blasts collection. The episode is actually titled "Exploding Water heater".

In that episode, they launch a 30 gallon heater without the roof over it. They fill it to 80%, which seems to be a guess, but actually really close to optimal, and heat it up. It fails at 350PSI. Assuming adiabatic expansion of the water vapor from 20% to 100% of container, the amount of work done on liquid water is 69kJ.

We take these 69kJ, convert it to kinetic energy of water, use conservation of momentum (the tank is about 50kg) and we get initial velocity of about 71m/s. (158mph, 233 feet per second).

One more piece of the puzzle is terminal velocity for the tank. I estimated it to be about 75m/s. So the initial velocity is very close to it, and drag needs to be accounted for.

Taking drag into account, we get 5.8 seconds for tank to reach apex at 183 meters (600 feet), and 5.8 more seconds to plummet back down, for a total flight time of 11.6 seconds.

There is a shot in that episode that runs uninterrupted from boom to slam. Time it. It's pretty darn close to 11.6 seconds above.

What do MBs report the height as? 500 feet. Why? Because they simply took the 11-something seconds of air time, and assumed flight in vacuum. At 11.6 seconds, you get 540 feet this way. At 11.2 seconds, it's almost exactly 500 feet.

Moral? Don't trust their numbers. They don't know when an approximation is valid and when it is not.
 

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