Probability distributions for Maxwell-Boltzmann, B-E, F-D

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The discussion centers on a problem from Arfken's Math Methods regarding the probability distribution of Maxwell-Boltzmann particles in multiple boxes, as well as Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles. Participants express confusion over the question's clarity and the nature of the answers provided, noting that the responses seem to focus on the number of arrangements rather than actual probabilities. It is highlighted that the conditions for fermions (k < N) are problematic, and the interpretation of indistinguishable particles suggests there is typically only one way to distribute them among boxes. The overall consensus is that the question may not be framed correctly, leading to misunderstandings about the expected answers. The discussion emphasizes the need for clearer definitions in statistical mechanics problems.
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From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
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I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

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These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
 
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george743 said:
Homework Statement: From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
Relevant Equations: N/A

I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

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These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
The answer definitely doesn't give probabilities.

To me it looks like the number of possible arrangements for distinguishable particles at the top and then indistinguishable fermions and bosons.
 
george743 said:
Homework Statement: From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
Relevant Equations: N/A

I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

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These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
There's a lot that's strange here.

k < N is not possible for fermions.

The answer for BE is problematic if k < Ni.

The first answer simplifies to kN, which is the total number of arrangements of N distinguishable particles among k boxes.

My impression is that the question is about how many ways there are to place N1
particles in box 1 etc.. This is not really a probability, but it's proportional to one.

For indistinguishable particles I would say there is always only one way.
For example if you have 2 boxes and 5 bosons there is only one way to put 3 particles in box 1 and 2 in box 2. The answer given doesn't make sense to me. Maybe they're not asking about that after all.
 
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