Probability distributions for Maxwell-Boltzmann, B-E, F-D

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The forum discussion centers on the calculation of probability distributions for Maxwell-Boltzmann, Fermi-Dirac, and Bose-Einstein particles as outlined in Arfken's "Mathematical Methods" (Chapter 23, Problem 23.1.6). Participants express confusion regarding the nature of the question, particularly the implications of the condition k < N for fermions and the interpretation of the results as probabilities. The consensus indicates that the calculations yield the number of arrangements rather than true probabilities, especially for indistinguishable particles, where the arrangement is unique.

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Homework Statement
From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
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I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

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These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
 
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george743 said:
Homework Statement: From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
Relevant Equations: N/A

I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

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These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
The answer definitely doesn't give probabilities.

To me it looks like the number of possible arrangements for distinguishable particles at the top and then indistinguishable fermions and bosons.
 
george743 said:
Homework Statement: From Arfken Math Methods, chapter 23 (prob and stats), problem 23.1.6:

Determine directly or by mathematical induction the probability of a distribution of N (Maxwell-Boltzmann) particles in k boxes with $N_1$ in Box 1, $N_2$ in Box 2, . . . , $N_k$ in the kth box for any numbers $N_j$ ≥ 1 with $N_1$ + $N_2$ + · · · + $N_k$ = N , k < N . Repeat this for Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein particles.
Relevant Equations: N/A

I don't even understand what question is being posed here. The answers given by the author are as follows:

View attachment 347872

These are numbers, potentially very large ones.
There's a lot that's strange here.

k < N is not possible for fermions.

The answer for BE is problematic if k < Ni.

The first answer simplifies to kN, which is the total number of arrangements of N distinguishable particles among k boxes.

My impression is that the question is about how many ways there are to place N1
particles in box 1 etc.. This is not really a probability, but it's proportional to one.

For indistinguishable particles I would say there is always only one way.
For example if you have 2 boxes and 5 bosons there is only one way to put 3 particles in box 1 and 2 in box 2. The answer given doesn't make sense to me. Maybe they're not asking about that after all.
 
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