Problem on tangents to a cirlce

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The discussion revolves around a geometric problem involving tangents to a circle. Participants explore the conditions under which the lengths of tangents drawn from points outside the circle are equal, specifically focusing on the relationship between points on the circumference and the diameter of the circle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a circle with diameter AB and points P and Q on opposite sides, questioning how to prove that the lengths of tangents from points R and M are equal given that RP=QM.
  • Another participant suggests that if RP=QM, then the lengths of the tangents RL and MG can be shown to be equal using properties of right triangles, assuming certain conditions about the points' arrangement.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the collinearity of points P, Q, and C, indicating that they are not necessarily aligned in a way that simplifies the problem.
  • Further clarification is sought about the directions of lines PR and QM, with one participant noting that they are neither radial nor parallel, which complicates the proof of equality of the tangent lengths.
  • It is asserted that RL and MG will only be equal if the lines PR and QM, when extended, intersect the same diameter of the circle.
  • Participants emphasize the need for a precise specification of the problem, particularly regarding the intersection of lines and their relationship to the diameter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for the equality of the tangent lengths. There is no consensus on the implications of the geometric configuration, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks full specification, particularly concerning the directions of the lines and their intersections with the diameter, which affects the validity of the proposed proofs.

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Suppose we have a cirlce with diameter AB.P and Q are points on opposite sides of te diameter(both points are on the circumference).Now PR=QM where R and M are also on opposite sides and on the same sides of P and Q outside the circle.

Now if we draw tangents from R and M,how do we prove that they will be equal in length?

We basically have to prove RL=MG taking RP =QM

if L and G are the contact points
 

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Your assumption is that RP=QM. Let C be the center. First RC=MC, since you are adding radii to the known pieces sticking out. Next, LC=GC (both radii). Therefore you have two right triangles with hypotenuses equal, and also equality in one leg. Therefore the other leg pair (RL and MG) are also equal.

This looks like an elementary geometry exercise.
 
But P and Q and C arent necessarily collinear
 
anantchowdhary, you haven't fully specified the problem. What is the direction of PR and QM? Are they both radial, or are they both perpendicular to AB or are they something else.
 
they arent radial and they arent parallel to each other.we just know that
RP=QM
 
anantchowdhary said:
they arent radial and they arent parallel to each other.we just know that
RP=QM

Then RL and MG certainly need not be equal
 
RL and MG will be equal only
when if the lines RP and QM produced intersect the same diamter necessarily
 
anantchowdhary said:
RL and MG will be equal only
when if the lines RP and QM produced intersect the same diamter necessarily

What, each one intersects the diameter, that's all. Or do you mean that they intersect each other at the diameter. You need to specify the problem correctly and fully.
 
NO,they do not intersect each other.If produced backwards(RP and QM),they would have to intersect the same diamter.And also,any one of them when produced can't be the diameter,or both of then have to be diameters.Is it ok now?
 

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