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The problem involves calculating the work required to lift a 5 kg bag to a height of 1 meter, with discussions surrounding the interpretation of work in terms of potential energy and kinetic energy. Participants are exploring the relationship between work done, forces involved, and energy changes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss different interpretations of work, including the force required to lift the bag and the relationship between work done and changes in potential and kinetic energy. There are attempts to reconcile differing answers based on the definitions of total work and work done by specific forces.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct interpretation of work in relation to potential energy changes, while others express confusion about the concept of total work equating to changes in kinetic energy. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of work in different contexts, including the distinction between work done by the lifting force and work done against gravity. There is also mention of assumptions regarding the motion of the bag and the conditions under which work is calculated.

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Homework Statement



How much work must you perform to lift a 5 kg bag from the floor to the countertop, 1 meter above the floor?

2. The attempt at a solution

A. You could say that any force greater than the weight of the bag would lift it up. Thus, the weight is 50 N and the force should at least 50 N and above.

since W= F * d * cos(theta)
W = 50 * 1 * cos0 = 50 Joules

B. My classmates insist that this is the correct way. The net work is equal to the change in potential energy, and the total work includes: Work done by weight, and work done by the force...

Work of weight = 50 * 1 * cos180 = -50 Joules
deltaPotential energy = PE2 -PE1 = 50 - 0 = 50 Joules

W(total) = W(weight) + W(force) = deltaPE
-50 + W(force) = 50 joules ==> W(force) = 100 Joules


Can anyone tell me which answer is the correct one? It seems to me that the second answer would be correct if you pulled the bag up suddenly and let it go and it would then stop mid-air at 1 meter. Can anyone verify this? Thanks in advance :)
 
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Your answer is correct. If you are looking for total or net work, that's the change in KE (which is zero). But if you are looking for work done by you, which the question asks, that's the change in PE plus the change in KE which is 50 +0 = +50 J. If you are looking for the work done by the weight, that is the negative of the potential energy change, or -50 J.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Your answer is correct. If you are looking for total or net work, that's the change in KE (which is zero). But if you are looking for work done by you, which the question asks, that's the change in PE plus the change in KE which is 50 +0 = +50 J. If you are looking for the work done by the weight, that is the negative of the potential energy change, or -50 J.

Thanks for the reply :D

However I am confused as to why total work equals to the change in KE...

I would really appreciate it if you could explain it.
 
This involves a lot of formula manipulation...
We know that W = Fd and F = ma.
∴ W = mad

Solving for a from v22 = v12 + 2ad gives us
a = (v22 - v12)/2d

plugging that back into W = mad gives us
W = m[(v22 - v12)/2d]d
= \frac{1}{2}m(v22 - v12)
= \frac{1}{2}mv22 - \frac{1}{2}mv12

Notice anything familiar? \frac{1}{2}mv2 is our generic equation for KE.
\frac{1}{2}mv22 - \frac{1}{2}mv12 gives us ΔKE.

∴ W = ΔKE
 

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