Problem understanding rolling motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the understanding of rolling motion, particularly in the context of a pen rolling under a hand. Participants explore the relationship between the distances moved by the hand and the pen, questioning the implications of rolling without slipping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that in rolling motion, the top of a drum has a linear velocity of 2v when the center of mass has a linear velocity of v, leading to a conclusion about the distance traveled by a pen when rolled under a hand.
  • Another participant questions the claim that the pen moves the same distance as the hand, suggesting that this is not possible if the hand is moving over the pen.
  • A participant clarifies that when rolling the pen from fingertips to the end of the palm without slipping, the pen should only cover half the length of the palm, yet observes it traverses the full length.
  • One participant suggests comparing the distances moved by the hand and the pen with respect to the table, indicating that the hand moves twice as far as the pen.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the measurement of distance, indicating a correction in the participant's earlier reasoning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the distances moved by the hand and the pen, with some confusion and corrections occurring throughout the discussion. No consensus is reached on the initial claims regarding rolling motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on the specific conditions of rolling without slipping, and there are unresolved assumptions about the mechanics involved in the interaction between the hand and the pen.

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we know that in rolling motion the top of drum has linear velocity 2v if the centre of mass has linear velocity v. thus if a board moves over a drum without slipping it wil roll 2vt=2L if the center of mass moves vt=L in time t, and this result is independent of size of the drum. but when i do this with a pen or pencil rolling by my hand i always find that the pen moves the distance equal to length of my hand. do it yourself and please comment on this.
 
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Phyman1109 said:
we know that in rolling motion the top of drum has linear velocity 2v if the centre of mass has linear velocity v. thus if a board moves over a drum without slipping it wil roll 2vt=2L if the center of mass moves vt=L in time t, and this result is independent of size of the drum. but when i do this with a pen or pencil rolling by my hand i always find that the pen moves the distance equal to length of my hand. do it yourself and please comment on this.
So you are claiming that when you roll your hand over a pen, that the pen moves at the same rate as your hand? So if you start with the pen at your fingertips, the pen remains at your fingertips as your hand moves? I don't see how that is possible.

Better try that again!
 
Doc Al said:
So you are claiming that when you roll your hand over a pen, that the pen moves at the same rate as your hand? So if you start with the pen at your fingertips, the pen remains at your fingertips as your hand moves? I don't see how that is possible.

Better try that again!
i am saying that when i roll the pen under my hand from fingertips to end of palm without letting my hand slip over the pen, the pen traverse the same distance as the length of my palm which it should cover only half of the length.
 
Phyman1109 said:
i am saying that when i roll the pen under my hand from fingertips to end of palm without letting my hand slip over the pen, the pen traverse the same distance as the length of my palm which it should cover only half of the length.
Compare the distance your hand moves with respect to the table with the distance the pen moves. Your hand moves twice as far.

Thus your hand moves with respect to the pen (which is moving) the same distance that the pen moves with respect to the table. This is what you are describing, which makes perfect sense.
 
Doc Al said:
Compare the distance your hand moves with respect to the table with the distance the pen moves. Your hand moves twice as far.
oops..i got it..i was making a mistake: i was measuring distance to end of the palm. Thanks.
 

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