Produce Copper Carbonate with Electrolysis

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The discussion centers on the electrolysis of a sodium bicarbonate solution using copper electrodes to produce copper carbonate. Participants confirm that the process can yield copper carbonate, although the purity of the product can be difficult to assess. One user reports successfully creating what they believe to be pure copper carbonate, which later decomposed into copper oxide upon heating. There is clarification on the distinction between copper carbonate and basic copper carbonate, with the latter being easier to produce. The conversation emphasizes the importance of measuring copper content to determine the purity of the product. Additionally, observations are made about the behavior of the electrodes during the process, noting that one electrode remained clean while the other changed, indicating differing reactions.
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If I made an electroyte with water and sodium bicarbonate and then electrolised it with copper electrodes would it produce copper carbonate on one of the electrodes?
 
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More like basic carbonate.
 
You sure?
 
Yes. Preparing pure carbon carbonate is quite tricky.
 
If someone is looking at this later,I tryed it and it worked great.Made rather pure copper carbonate until it ran out of electrolyte ( then copper hydroxide was made slowly).Turned to copper oxide nicely too
 
And what method have you used to check the purity of the product?
 
I didnt check how pure it is , but since it turned to copper oxide(mixed with hcl to test) I conclude its pretty pure.
 
max6333 said:
I didnt check how pure it is , but since it turned to copper oxide(mixed with hcl to test) I conclude its pretty pure.

Please elaborate, I don't understand what you did.

Besides, I have a feeling whatever you did would yield identical result if you were to use a basic copper carbonate.
 
Now I you wrote carbon carbonate and now I am confused.So I'm going to start over:This is how I got the whole thing I ask will it make copper cabonate, you say it will make just carbonate(even tho that doesn't really exist), i do it, i make copper carbonate , i heat it up it turns black(becomes copper oxide), i test it with HCl and find out that it is copper oxide.
 
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"Copper carbonate" and "basic copper carbonate" are two different chemical compounds. Basic carbonate is easy to prepare (and it is the green patina you see on the copper), copper carbonate is tricky to prepare (as in typical reactions in water you will produce the basic carbonate).

Both carbonate and basic carbonate decompose on heating producing copper oxide.

To make sure what you made you should precisely measure what is the copper percentage in your product, as that's the simplest to check difference between both compounds.
 
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Ok ,I undestand, Then i guess i did make the basic one, but it works good for me
 
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Borek said:
Preparing pure carbon carbonate is quite tricky.
I daresay it is.
 
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max6333 said:
If someone is looking at this later,I tryed it and it worked great.Made rather pure copper carbonate until it ran out of electrolyte ( then copper hydroxide was made slowly).Turned to copper oxide nicely too
One of the plates stayed clean, and bubbled off H2? How did the other one change?
 
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