Projectile Motion and Integration

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The discussion centers on deriving an integral expression for the distance a projectile travels until it hits the ground, starting from a height above the Earth's surface. Participants highlight the need to correctly apply the equations of motion, noting that the velocity components were initially misrepresented. The conversation emphasizes that the distance traveled is not the same as displacement, requiring a line integral approach to solve the problem. Clarifications on the use of time or horizontal position to express the line element ds are also provided. The thread concludes with an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in the integration process.
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Homework Statement


A projectile is launched from the origin a distance h above the Earth's surface with an initial velocity having speed v_0 and direction Theta_0 with respect to horizontal x-axis. Obtain an integral expression for the distance s the projectile travels along its path until it hits the ground at y = -h. Evaluate all derivatives in the integrand but do not evaluate the integral. Express any non-givens in terms of the givens of the stated problem.


Homework Equations


y-y_0 = V_0cos(theta)(t) - .5gt^2
x-x_0 = V_osin(theta)(t) - .5gt^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I do not know where to start. I have solved projectile motion problems before, but not like this. I'm thinking I might need to use a line integral. But other than that, I really don't know how to even begin. Help?
 
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Erm, either I'm missing something, or there's no integral involved.
The only way I could see an integral popping is by assuming that h is very big, which would mean that "g" as we know it isn't constant.
Otherwise you could solve it with two simple motion equations. Notice that there are two mistakes in the equations you've written.
1. You got the components of the velocity messed up - it should be sin for y, and cos for x. Draw it and make sure you know why.
2. There is no acceleration on the x-axis - only on the y axis. Therefore the second equation is wrong and doesn't fit. Which does?

So, as I've said, solving it "normally" wouldn't give rise to any integrals (but to an ugly quadratic equation), but assuming h is big enough would force you to use Newton's second law, and that's another story... ! :-)
 
auk411 said:

A projectile is launched from the origin a distance h above the Earth's surface with an initial velocity having speed v_0 and direction Theta_0 with respect to horizontal x-axis. Obtain an integral expression for the distance s the projectile travels along its path until it hits the ground at y = -h. Evaluate all derivatives in the integrand but do not evaluate the integral.


The problem asks the distance traveled along the path. It is not the same as the displacement.

The distance traveled is the length of arc between the initial and final positions. It is a line integral, S=∫ds. You can express ds, the line element, with the time or with x. What have you learned about line integrals?

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Sorry - have missed that. Good thing I've volunteered the option: "Either I'm missing something"... :-)
 
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