Projectile Motion Problem with thrown ball off roof

AI Thread Summary
A ball is thrown from a roof at a height h, hitting the ground 1.50 seconds later at a distance of 25.0 meters and an angle of 60 degrees with the horizontal. The problem requires finding the height h, the magnitude of the initial velocity, and the angle of projection. Initial calculations led to confusion regarding the correct use of projectile motion equations and the direction of acceleration. Clarifications from other users emphasized the importance of correctly identifying the angle in the equations and the sign conventions for acceleration. Ultimately, the discussion helped the original poster realize their misunderstanding of the equations, leading to a breakthrough in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


A ball is thrown leftward from the left edge of the roof, at height h above the ground. The ball hits

the ground 1.50s later, at distance d=25.0m from the building and at angle \theta =60^<br /> <br /> {\circ} with the horizontal. (a) Find h. What are the (b) Magnitude and (c) angle relative to the horizontal

of the velocity at which the ball is thrown? (d) Is the angle above or below the horizontal?

http://lcphr3ak.is-a-geek.com/fig49.png

d=25.0m
\theta=60^{\circ}

The answers in the back are:
a)32.3m
b)21.9\frac{m}{s}
c)40.4^{\circ}
d)below

Homework Equations


x - x_{\circ} = v_{\circ} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2
v_{\circ x} = v_{\circ} \cos{\theta _{\circ}}
v_{\circ y} = v_{\circ} \sin{\theta _{\circ}}


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm missing an observation here, because I don't see enough information to solve this. This problem is suppose to

be solved with projectile motion. So first I attempt to find v_{fx} (which is the x component

of the vector at \theta): x - x_{\circ} = v_{fx} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2 which is -25 = <br /> <br /> v_{fx} (1.50). This gives me v_{fx} = -16.667. Using this, I take v_{fx} = v_f \cos{\theta}<br /> <br />, which is: -16.667 = v_f \cos{60}, so v_f = -33.32. Using this, I find v_{fy}<br /> <br /> by taking v_{fy} = v_f \sin{\theta} and doing v_{fy} = (-33.32)\sin{60} so v_{fy} <br /> <br /> = -28.856. So, to find h, we solve for y. y = v_{fy} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2

becomes y = (-28.856)(1.50) - \frac{1}{2} (9.8) (1.50)^2 which says y = -54.309. Now, the

absolute value of y should be the height, but this is waaaaay off from the answer. I'm practically out of

ideas.

Could anyone explain what I'm doing wrong? If I didn't provide enough info, just let me know and I'll try to

provide more.

Thanks!
 
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Hi coco87! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)
coco87 said:
… Using this, I take v_{fx} = v_f \cos{\theta}<br /> <br />, which is: -16.667 = v_f \cos{60}, so v_f = -33.32. Using this, I find v_{fy}<br /> <br /> by taking v_{fy} = v_f \sin{\theta} and doing v_{fy} = (-33.32)\sin{60} so v_{fy} <br /> <br /> = -28.856.…

Nooo … θ in your formula is the angle at the roof. not the θ (= 60º) in the diagram! :smile:
 
Take care with the sign of the acceleration.
It is often helpful to write down on your diagram which direction you are taking as positive.
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi coco87! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)


Nooo … θ in your formula is the angle at the roof. not the θ (= 60º) in the diagram! :smile:


So, I'm either using the wrong formula, or I need to find the initial velocity (or angle)? I don't know of any other formulas (other than v = v_{\circ}+at), and I have no idea how I would even obtain the angle up there. Could you possibly give me a hint? (or another one :wink: )

Thanks for the responce!
 
coco87 said:
So, I'm either using the wrong formula, or I need to find the initial velocity (or angle)? I don't know of any other formulas (other than v = v_{\circ}+at), and I have no idea how I would even obtain the angle up there. Could you possibly give me a hint? (or another one :wink: )

Thanks for the responce!

you can use that formula to find the initial vertical velocity. Then you can work out an angle!
 
disillusion said:
you can use that formula to find the initial vertical velocity. Then you can work out an angle!

What you had said triggered an idea, and after playing around with the equations, I found out that I had misunderstood the Constant Accelloration equations all along.. well, I do now :biggrin:

Thank you guys for your help!
 
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