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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a cart and a rocket. The cart moves horizontally while launching a rocket vertically, prompting questions about the rocket's maximum height, the distance the cart travels during the rocket's flight, and the trajectory observed from different frames of reference.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the calculations for maximum height and distance traveled by the cart, questioning the validity of their arithmetic and reasoning.
  • There is discussion about the angle of the rocket's trajectory as observed from different perspectives, with participants checking their calculations and questioning assumptions about the frame of reference.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations, with one confirming the correctness of an angle calculation while others express uncertainty about their results. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the observer's perspective on the trajectory.

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Participants mention constraints related to homework rules, such as limited attempts for submitting answers. There is also a focus on ensuring that calculations align with the physical setup of the problem.

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Projectile motion question

Homework Statement



A 5200 kg cart carrying a vertical rocket launcher moves to the right at a constant speed of 33.0 m/s along a horizontal track. It launches a 49.4 kg rocket vertically upward with an initial speed of 43.1 m/s relative to the cart.


a)How high will the rocket go?

b)How far does the cart move while the rocket is in the air?

c)At what angle, relative to the horizontal, is the rocket traveling just as it leaves the cart, as measured by an observer at rest on the ground?

d) What is the rocket's trajectory as seen by an observer stationary on the cart.

the rocket travels in a cycloid
the rocket travels straight up and then straight down
the rocket travels in a parabola

e)What is the rocket's trajectory as seen by an observer stationary on the ground.
the rocket travels in a cycloid
the rocket travels straight up and then straight down
the rocket travels in a parabola

Homework Equations



Any constant acceleration equation.

Vo sin theta = Voy
Vo cos theta = Vox


The Attempt at a Solution



a) 0= Voy^2 + 2(-980)(Ymax)
ymax = 94.8 m

Is this right?

b) Then the total distance traveled by the cart, isn't it just 94.8 * 2 =189.6 m?

c) x sin theta = 43.1 m/s
x cos theta =38.0 m/s

theta = 48.59 degrees.

Is this right?

d) Is straight up and down correct, since Vox and Vx are constant with ax=o.

e)Is the parabola correct? I don't know why scientifically, but I'm pretty sure an observer(outside of cart) would see a parabola, since one obviously does occur.


Is this all right or not? Thanks.
 
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Crusaderking1 said:

Homework Statement



A 5200 kg cart carrying a vertical rocket launcher moves to the right at a constant speed of 33.0 m/s along a horizontal track. It launches a 49.4 kg rocket vertically upward with an initial speed of 43.1 m/s relative to the cart.


a)How high will the rocket go?

b)How far does the cart move while the rocket is in the air?

c)At what angle, relative to the horizontal, is the rocket traveling just as it leaves the cart, as measured by an observer at rest on the ground?

d) What is the rocket's trajectory as seen by an observer stationary on the cart.

the rocket travels in a cycloid
the rocket travels straight up and then straight down
the rocket travels in a parabola

e)What is the rocket's trajectory as seen by an observer stationary on the ground.
the rocket travels in a cycloid
the rocket travels straight up and then straight down
the rocket travels in a parabola

Homework Equations



Any constant acceleration equation.

Vo sin theta = Voy
Vo cos theta = Vox


The Attempt at a Solution



a) 0= Voy^2 + 2(-980)(Ymax)
ymax = 94.8 m

Is this right?

b) Then the total distance traveled by the cart, isn't it just 94.8 * 2 =189.6 m?

c) x sin theta = 43.1 m/s
x cos theta =38.0 m/s

theta = 48.59 degrees.

Is this right?

d) Is straight up and down correct, since Vox and Vx are constant with ax=o.

e)Is the parabola correct? I don't know why scientifically, but I'm pretty sure an observer(outside of cart) would see a parabola, since one obviously does occur.


Is this all right or not? Thanks.

(a) looks good.

(b) is not appropriate. You know how high it went, you can calculate how long - in time - that took. It has to come down again, so there is some more time.
All that while the cart had been traveling at its constant speed, so will covered a distance determined by its speed and the time.
(c) logical method - if your arithmetic is correct tat should be right.
(d) & (e) both good.
 


Thanks Peter! I will work on part b tomorrow, I have to sleep now.
 


I guess I can't do arithmetic!

x sin x = 43.1
x cos x = 38.0

(43.1)^2+(38)^2 =3301.61

sq.root = 57.45963801

43.1/57.4596 = .75009

sin^1(.75009)= 48.598


angle = 48.6 degrees above the horizontal. but wait! its not. I messed up somewhere. Thanks.

Maybe the "above the horizontal" doesn't mean this angle?
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
I guess I can't do arithmetic!

x sin x = 43.1
x cos x = 38.0

(43.1)^2+(38)^2 =3301.61

sq.root = 57.45963801

43.1/57.4596 = .75009

sin^1(.75009)= 48.598


angle = 48.6 degrees above the horizontal. but wait! its not. I messed up somewhere. Thanks.

Maybe the "above the horizontal" doesn't mean this angle?

There is nothing wrong with your original answer to (c) - I just checked it. I couldn't be bothered checking last time as it looked like you had no difficulty. The only possibility was a slip in arithmetic, which there was none.

How about Part (b)
 


PeterO said:
There is nothing wrong with your original answer to (c) - I just checked it. I couldn't be bothered checking last time as it looked like you had no difficulty. The only possibility was a slip in arithmetic, which there was none.

How about Part (b)

I typed my answer for c into the homework, and it said I was wrong. I received 334.2 m for part B, but was wrong again.

I have two attempts remaining for each now, but I have no idea what went wrong.

Does the observer at rest have anything to do with it?
 


OMG- so stupid. The Vox is 33.0, not 38.0.

Now I'm depressed..

Thanks Peter.

My new angle is 52.67

My new Vo is 54.2033

and that's right.
 
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