Projectile Motion: Solving Equations with Air Resistance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving and understanding the equations of motion for a projectile considering air resistance, specifically focusing on the equation m*dv/dt=-k*v². Participants explore the derivation, integration, and application of this equation over a short distance, while addressing potential errors and clarifications in the mathematical process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Michael presents an equation for projectile motion that includes air resistance and seeks validation for his derivation process.
  • Some participants question the origin of the equation m*dv/dt=-k*v² and its relation to Newton's second law.
  • There is a discussion about the correct application of mass (m) in the differentiation and integration steps, with some participants noting that it was omitted at one point.
  • One participant suggests that the equation typically arises from the context of the problem being solved.
  • Another participant indicates that the force due to air resistance can be expressed as -kv², linking it back to Newton's second law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the derivation of the equation and its application, with no consensus reached on the original formula or its derivation. Multiple viewpoints on the source of the equation and its implications are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion regarding the integration steps and the role of mass in the equations, indicating that the discussion may be limited by assumptions about the context of air resistance and projectile motion.

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Hi

Im trying to make an equation for a projectiles path, but this is only over a very short distance, so the projectiles curve aren't taken into account. I am including the air resistance.
This is what i have done:
m*dv/dt=-k*v2 Differential: dv/v2=-k*dt integrated: -1/v=-k*t+C when: t=0 og c=-1/v0 and we get: v=m*v0/(k*v0*t+m)
I have gotten some help doing this, but i am wondering if anyone could tell me if this is right. Another thing is that i seem to have forgotten "m", could anyone please tell me where "m" should be in the differentaded and integrated equation? i have a hard time explaing actually what i have done, but maybe you could help me.
By the way, I am from Denmark so sorry for my bad english.

Thanks
- Michael
 
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Anyone might be able to tell me where this: m*dv/dt=-k*v2 comes from?
 
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Welcome to PF!

Michaelbk said:
m*dv/dt=-k*v2 Differential: dv/v2=-k*dt integrated: -1/v=-k*t+C when: t=0 og c=-1/v0 and we get: v=m*v0/(k*v0*t+m)
I have gotten some help doing this, but i am wondering if anyone could tell me if this is right. Another thing is that i seem to have forgotten "m", could anyone please tell me where "m" should be in the differentaded and integrated equation?

Hi Michael ! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(use the X2 tag above the reply field to make v2 :wink:)

(and what's "og"? :confused:)

Yes, that's fine :biggrin:

you lost the m (though somehow you put it back in the right position :rolleyes:) when you went from
m*dv/dt=-k*v2
to
dv/v2=-k*dt,

which should have been mdv/v2=-k*dt. :smile:
 
Thanks :), i was wondering where this comes from too: m*dv/dt=-k*v2
Oh, and "og" is a danish word for "and", my bad :blushing:
 
Michaelbk said:
Oh, and "og" is a danish word for "and", my bad :blushing:

:biggrin:
i was wondering where this comes from too: m*dv/dt=-k*v2

ah, i didn't see your second post :redface:

mmm … for me, it usually comes from the question :rolleyes:

if you want to find why air resistance is like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page" is always a good place to start. :smile:
 
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I was meaning the formula m*dv/dt=-k*v2 what's the original formula? or what is it calculated from? i mean dv/dt = a ... so might be F=m*a Newtons second law, but i don't know, i would appreciate some help here :)
 
Michaelbk said:
I was meaning the formula m*dv/dt=-k*v2 what's the original formula? or what is it calculated from? i mean dv/dt = a ... so might be F=m*a Newtons second law, but i don't know, i would appreciate some help here :)

oh i see! :smile:

yes, it's good ol' Newton's second law :biggrin: … F = ma = mdv/dt …

so if the force is given as -kv2, then that's mdv/dt = -kv2 :wink:
 
Thank you very much, I appreciate it. :smile:
 

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