Proof by Induction: Prove Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn = (-1)^n

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement involving Fibonacci numbers using mathematical induction. The specific statement to be proven is that Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn = (-1)^n for n >= 1, where Fibonacci numbers are defined recursively.

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  • Participants discuss the initial steps of the induction proof, including verifying the base case and formulating the inductive step. There are attempts to manipulate the Fibonacci definitions to establish a relationship between terms for k and k+1. Questions arise about how to effectively use the inductive hypothesis and the definitions of Fibonacci numbers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have provided partial progress, while others express uncertainty about the next steps. There is a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine the approach to the proof.

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Some participants note confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the introduction of new elements in their expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the Fibonacci recurrence relation in the context of the proof.

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Homework Statement


The fibonacci numbers are defined by F0 = 0 F1 = 1 and Fn = n-1 + Fn-2 for n >= 2.
Use induction the prove the following:
Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn = (-1)n

The attempt at a solution
Let P(n) = Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn2 = (-1)n where n>= 1

Show it holds for first natural number:
P(1) = F0 + F2 - F12 = -(1) = -1. So it is true

Now assume it works for some k and prove it works for k+1
This is where I'm really not sure what to do. I have tried putting
F(k+1)-1F(k+1)+1 - F(k+1)2 but it ultimately gets me no where.

Usually when I have done inductive proofs I start with some sequence of numbers 1,2,3,4...,n and show n+1 is there but this one seems slightly different and I'm not sure how to proceed.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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dirtybiscuit said:

Homework Statement


The fibonacci numbers are defined by F0 = 0 F1 = 1 and Fn = Fn-1 + Fn-2 for n >= 2.
Use induction the prove the following:
Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn = (-1)n

The attempt at a solution
Let P(n) = Fn-1Fn+1 - Fn2 = (-1)n where n>= 1

Show it holds for first natural number:
P(1) = F0 + F2 - F12 = -(1) = -1. So it is true

Now assume it works for some k and prove it works for k+1
This is where I'm really not sure what to do. I have tried putting
F(k+1)-1F(k+1)+1 - F(k+1)2 but it ultimately gets me nowhere.
You want terms involving ##F_k##, ##F_{k+1}##, and ##F_{k-1}##, so use the defining relation to rewrite ##F_{k+2}##.
 
vela said:
You want terms involving FkF_k, Fk+1F_{k+1}, and Fk−1F_{k-1}, so use the defining relation to rewrite Fk+2F_{k+2}.

Thank you for your reply.

With that I get:
FkFk+2 - F2k+1

Fk(Fk+1 + Fk) - F2k+1

FkFk+1 + F2k - F2k+1

Fk+1(Fk - Fk+1) + F2k

I'm not really sure where to go from this point.
Just to verify that I am thinking of this the right way.
I am trying to find a spot that I can use the assumption made about k where (Fk-1Fk+1 - F2k) and link that to k+1 correct?
 
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dirtybiscuit said:
Thank you for your reply.

With that I get:
FkFk+2 - F2k+1

Fk(Fk+1 + Fk) - F2k+1

FkFk+1 + F2k - F2k+1

I'm not really sure where to go from this point.
Just to verify that I am thinking of this the right way.
I am trying to find a spot that I can use the assumption made about k where (Fk-1Fk+1 - F2k) and link that to k+1 correct?
Yes, that's what you're trying to do. You need to play around with it a bit. The ##F_{k+1}^2## term isn't one you want around, right? What can you do with it?
 
Okay so this is what I got:
Fk+1(Fk - Fk-1) + F2k

Fk+1(Fk - Fk - Fk - 1) + F2k

-Fk+1Fk-1 + F2k

Multiply by -1 and get:

Fk+1Fk-1 - F2k = -(-1)k+1

So P(k) = -(-1)k+1

The part about the -1 on the right hand side threw me off at the end but I think it makes sense.

It seems unusual that this is proving k+1 though because it ends with P(k)

And again thank you for your help I have been looking at this problem for longer than I would care to admit.
 
dirtybiscuit said:
Okay so this is what I got:
Fk+1(Fk - Fk-1) + F2k

Fk+1(Fk - Fk - Fk - 1) + F2k
I'm not sure what you did here. It looks like you introduced a term out of thin air.
 
vela said:
I'm not sure what you did here. It looks like you introduced a term out of thin air.

I made a mistake when I was typing. It should have said Fk+1(Fk - Fk+1) + F2k

Then I used the defining relation on Fk+1 to get the next line.
 

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