Proof that e-field lines don't cross

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of electric field lines and the reasoning behind the assertion that they do not cross. Participants explore various explanations, including classical interpretations, dynamical systems, and the implications of equipotential surfaces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the non-crossing of electric field lines can be explained through the principle of existence-uniqueness, suggesting that multiple directions at a single point would violate this principle.
  • Others argue that if electric field lines were to cross, it would imply a vector sum at that point, leading to a non-unique direction for the electric field.
  • A participant suggests that field lines are drawn perpendicular to equipotential surfaces, and if they crossed, it would create ambiguity regarding the normal to the surface at that intersection.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that electric fields cannot have two values at a single point in time, using the interaction between charged particles as an analogy to support this claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of viewpoints regarding the reasoning behind the non-crossing of electric field lines, indicating that multiple competing explanations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some explanations rely on assumptions about the nature of electric fields and equipotential surfaces, and there may be unresolved connections to dynamical systems and non-linear dynamics that are not fully articulated.

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I understand that electric field lines do not cross and a simple explanation is that it violates existence-uniqueness. I'm thinking there is a more complete explanation out there though. I think the answer lies in the realm of dynamical systems and non-linear dynamics, but it's been a whlie since I've had that and can't piece together the theorems that would fully explain it.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but classically, when analyzing electric fields, you take the vector sum...so technically, if field lines did cross, then you'd have a vector sum there; thus, altogether, you have a "unique" direction at each point.
 
vortmax said:
I understand that electric field lines do not cross and a simple explanation is that it violates existence-uniqueness. I'm thinking there is a more complete explanation out there though. I think the answer lies in the realm of dynamical systems and non-linear dynamics, but it's been a whlie since I've had that and can't piece together the theorems that would fully explain it.

Easy. "Field lines" are just arbitrary lines drawn in a direction that is always perpendicular to every possible equipotential surface that they pass through. If the lines ever crossed, what would the equipotential surface look like at the point where they cross? A surface can only have one normal (subject to scalar multiplication), not two, so it can't have two lines coming out in different directions at the same place that are both perpendicular to it!
 
They simply can't cross because E can't have two values at a single time. Consider this, an electron can either push away a proton near it or the proton can push the electron, these two events cannot occur at the same time. Similarly, E can't have two values and hence electric field lines can't cross each other.
 

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