Prove 1+8x-12x^3+2x^4 irreducible over Q[x]

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The problem involves determining the irreducibility of the polynomial 1 + 8x - 12x^3 + 2x^4 over the field of rational numbers Q[x]. The original poster references Gauss's Lemma and the Eisenstein Criterion as potential tools for this analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the Eisenstein Criterion after transforming the polynomial into a monic form. They also discuss the implications of irreducibility over Z and Q.
  • Some participants question the application of the Eisenstein Criterion to the transformed polynomial h(y) and its evaluations at y+1 and y-1.
  • Others suggest considering a different polynomial transformation, b(x), to explore the use of Eisenstein's Criterion with a different prime.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to apply the Eisenstein Criterion. There is acknowledgment of potential misinterpretations regarding the criterion's applicability, and some productive suggestions for alternative methods have been made.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the specific polynomial form and the conditions under which the Eisenstein Criterion can be applied. There is also mention of the need to verify assumptions regarding the divisibility of coefficients.

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Homework Statement


Determine if 1+8x-12x^3+2x^4 irreducible over Q[x]


Homework Equations


Gauss's Lemma, Eisenstein Criterion


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If we multiply g(x)=1+8x-12x^3+2x^4 by 2^3, and then make the substitution y=(2*x), we recover a monic polynomial: h(y) = 8+32y-12y^3+y^4, but Eisenstein does not apply. h(y+/-1) doesn't help either. h(y) is of fourth degree, so it doesn't even suffice to check for absence of roots. But, I do know that if irreducibility in Z is shown, irreducibility over Q follows, for suppose such an f(x) is reducible over Q. Then, by Gauss's Lemma, there exists a nontrivial factorization of f(x) over Z into monic polynomials, but if f(x) is irreducible over Z, this is a contradiction. Thus, f(x) must be irreducible over Q.

Still, I have tried many things, so any help is appereciated.
 
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Are you sure h(y+/-1) doesn't satisfy Eisenstein's criterion? It sure looks like they do to me.
 
Thanks for the reply:

The constant term in h(y+1) is 29, a prime, and 29|\ all other coefficients. That of h(y-1) is 11, another prime which does not divide any other coefficeints. Thus, I don't think we can use Eisenstein Criterion.

However, if we consider b(x) = x^4*g(1/x) we obtain: b(x) = 2 -12x + 8x^3 + x^4, and we can use Eisenstein with p=2 here QED
 
faradayslaw said:
Thanks for the reply:

The constant term in h(y+1) is 29, a prime, and 29|\ all other coefficients. That of h(y-1) is 11, another prime which does not divide any other coefficeints. Thus, I don't think we can use Eisenstein Criterion.

However, if we consider b(x) = x^4*g(1/x) we obtain: b(x) = 2 -12x + 8x^3 + x^4, and we can use Eisenstein with p=2 here QED

You're right. I misremembered the Eisenstein Criterion. And, yeah, that's a good idea!
 

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