Prove this recursively defined sequence goes to 0

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The problem involves a recursively defined sequence \( a_n \) with the initial condition \( a_1 = 1 \) and the recursive relation \( a_{n+1} = \frac{1}{2}(a_n + \frac{x}{a_n}) \). The goal is to show that \( 2^{n^{1001}} |a_n - a_{\infty}| \rightarrow 0 \) as \( n \rightarrow \infty \), where \( a_{\infty} = \sqrt{x} \). Participants are exploring the convergence properties of the sequence and its relationship to the hint provided regarding the sequence \( y_n = \frac{a_n - a_{\infty}}{a_n + a_{\infty}} \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to utilize the hint involving \( y_n \) but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed from their derived relation \( y_{n+1} = y_n^2 \). Other participants question the domain of the functions involved and suggest that \( x \) should not be zero. There is also discussion about the convergence rate of \( a_n \) compared to \( 2^{n^{1001}} \).

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing a potential pathway for proving convergence through the relationship established with \( y_n \). However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach or resolution, and the discussion reflects a mix of confusion and attempts to clarify the problem's requirements.

Contextual Notes

It is noted that the domain of \( a_n \) should exclude zero, and \( x \) must be greater than zero for the convergence to hold. The homework due date has passed, indicating that some participants may be reflecting on the problem post-deadline.

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Homework Statement


Show that [itex]2^{n^{1001}} |a_{n} - a_{\infty}| \rightarrow 0[/itex] as [itex]n \rightarrow \infty.[/itex]

Here, an is defined recursively by [itex]a_{1} = 1, a_{n+1} = \frac{1}{2}(a_{n}+\frac{x}{a_{n}}).[/itex]

I already know that [itex]a_{\infty} = \sqrt{x}.[/itex]

Homework Equations


We are given a hint to consider [itex](y_{n}) = \frac{a_{n} - a_{\infty}}{a_{n} + a_{\infty}}.[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I considered the hint, and by defining the sequence in the hint to be (yn) I got that yn+1 = yn2. However, I don't know how to proceed and show that the above sequence goes to zero. I know [itex]a_{n} - a_{\infty} \rightarrow 0[/itex] by definition, but I don't see how that yn thing helps. Any thoughts?
 
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Anyone? :frown:
 
OK, one final bump, and then I give up. But from the lack of responses I see I'm not the only one really puzzled by this problem.

Basically, I need to find a way to show (an) as defined above converges faster than (2n)1001 diverges.
 
You haven't mentioned the domain of the functions in [itex](a_n)[/itex]. It should probably not contain 0, as I think the quantity in question doesn't converge for [itex]x=0[/itex].

I haven't checked it, but I assume that [itex]y_{n+1}=y_n^2[/itex] is correct. This implies that [itex]y_{n}=y_1^{2^n}[/itex]. Moreover, we can calculate that [itex]|y_1|< 1[/itex] from the definition of [itex](y_n)[/itex] and the fact that [itex]x\neq 0[/itex]. Now [tex]\begin{eqnarray}<br /> 2^{n^{1001}} |a_{n} - a_{\infty}| &=& 2^{n^{1001}} |a_{n} + a_{\infty}|||y_n| \nonumber \\<br /> &\leq& 2^{n^{1001}} |2\sqrt{x}||y_n| \nonumber \\<br /> &=& 2^{n^{1001}} |2\sqrt{x}||y_1^{2^n}| \nonumber \\<br /> &=& 2^{n^{1001}} |2\sqrt{x}||y_1|^{2^n}<br /> \end{eqnarray}.[/tex]
Can you carry on from here to prove that this must converge to 0 pointwise? And if you can, is the convergence uniform?
 
Hi Mr. Miyagi, and thanks for the response! Even though the homework due date has now already past, I appreciate the input. And in fact, after four hours of wracking my brain on how to do this, I did indeed finally come to the same conclusion as you did, and essentially used the fact that exponentials rise faster than polynomials. I feel really stupid for needing such a long time to figure that out, but eh...

Oh, and the domain is the real numbers, but x must be greater than zero.
 

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