Proving a Sum of Powers of Integers: A Challenge!

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The discussion centers on proving the formula for the sum of the fourth powers of integers, specifically the equation \(\sum_{n=1}^n i^4 = \frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)(3n^2 + 3n - 1)}{30}\). Participants share their progress and challenges in manipulating the algebraic expressions involved, with suggestions to simplify the proof by factoring and multiplying out terms. One participant emphasizes the importance of verifying the polynomial's degree and using specific values to confirm the formula's validity. The conversation highlights the complexity of the algebra and the need for intuition and practice in tackling such proofs. Ultimately, the best approach appears to involve expanding the polynomial and confirming that it matches the expected form.
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Hey!

Can someone please give me a hint on this :rolleyes:

Prove:
<br /> \sum_{n=1}^n i^4 = \frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)(3n^2 + 3n - 1)}{30}<br />

What I've got so far:

Let P(n) be the statement:
<br /> \sum_{n=1}^n i^4 = \frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)(3n^2 + 3n - 1)}{30}<br />

Let n=1 we get;
<br /> \sum_{n=1}^1 i^4 = \frac{1(1+1)(2(1)+1)(3(1^2) + 31 - 1)}{30}<br /> = \frac{(2)(3)(5)}{30}<br /> = 1 <br />
Which is true.

Assume P(n) is true \forall k \ge n, k \in\mathbb{Z}
Let n=k+1

Then we get:
<br /> P(k+1) = \sum_{n=1}^{k+1} i^4 = \bigg( \sum_{n=1}^{k} i^4 \bigg) + (k+1)^4 = \frac{k(k+1)(2k+1)(3k^2 + 3k - 1)}{30} + (k+1)^4<br /> = \frac{1}{30} \bigg[ k(k+1)(2k+1)(3k^2+3k-1) + 30(k+1)^4 \bigg]<br />

and then i tried
<br /> \frac{1}{30} \bigg[ k(k+1)(2k+1)(3k^2+3k-1) + 30(k+1)^4 \bigg] = \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ k(2k+1)(3k^2+3k-1) + 30(k+1)^3 \bigg]<br />

A well as heaps of other arrangements :frown: :cry: My algebra sucks. It turns into a giant mess!
These sorts of things seem to require a lot of intuition. (or, what's that word... practice?)

Thank you very much! :redface: :redface: :blushing:
 
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Good! Factoring out (k+1) simplifies it. I'm afraid what you are going to have to do now is actually multiply that out:
multiply (2k)(2k+1)(3k2+ 3k- 1) multiply 30(k+1)3 and add them
Now factor that. It may help to know that you WANT (since you have already factored out (k+1) (which corresponds to the "n" in the original formula) (k+2)(2k+3)(3k2+ 9k+ 5) which correspond, respectively, to n+1, 2n+1, and 3n2+ 3n-1 with k+1 in place of n.
 
Thanks HallsofIvy :smile:

Hmm...

\frac{1}{30} \bigg[ k(k+1)(2k+1)(3k^2+3k-1) + 30(k+1)^4 \bigg] = \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ k(2k+1)(3k^2+3k-1) + 30(k+1)^3 \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ k(6k^3 + 6k^2 - 2k + 3k^2 + 3k - 1) + 30(k+1)^3 \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ k(6k^3+9k^2+k-1) + 30(k+1)^3 \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + 30(k+1)^3 \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + 30(k+1)(k^2+2k+1) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + 30(k^3+2k^2+k+k^2+2k+1) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + (30k^3+60k^2+30k+30k^2+60k+30) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + (30k^3+90k^2+90k+30) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ (6k^4+9k^3+k^2-k) + (30k^3+90k^2+90k+30) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ 6k^4+39k^3+90k^2+90k+30 \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ 3k(2k^3+13k^2) + 30(3k^2+3k+1) \bigg]

= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ 3k(2k^3+13k^2) + 30(3k(k+1)+1) \bigg]

ack!

i tried getting it to look something like err at least..

\frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)(3n^2 + 3n - 1)}{30} = \frac{(2n^2+3n+1)(3n^2+3n-1)}{30}

= \frac{6n^4+3n^3-2n^2+9n^3+9n^2-3n+3n^2+3n-1}{30}

= \frac{6n^4+12n^3+10n^2-1}{30}

Which, where n=k :

\frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)(3n^2 + 3n - 1)}{30} = \frac{(k+1)(k+2)(2k+3)(3k^2+9k+5)}{30}

:shy:
 
It might help to multiply it out before doing anything. In other words, prove the statement in its non-factored form.

There's also a cheap trick you can use. :biggrin: If, for some reason, you know that the answer is a polynomial of degree 5, then you can just try 6 values of n and check you get the right answer. (given (k+1) input-output pairs, there is exactly one degree k polynomial passing through them)
 
gazzo said:
= \frac{k+1}{30} \bigg[ 6k^4+39k^3+90k^2+90k+30 \bigg]

There's a mistake above... it should be 91k^2 and 89k.

I think Hurkyl's method of multiplying out what you're trying to prove...(k+2)(2k+3) etc... and showing that it's the same as the above polynomial is the best way.

If you want to factor your above polynomial ... then since you "expect" (k+2), and (2k+3) as factors... plug in -2 into the polynomial above to see that it goes to zero. That proves that k+2 is a factor. Also try pluggin in k=-3/2 proves that 2k+3 is a factor ince 2k+3= 2(k+3/2).

You can do polynomial division then to get the last factor.
 
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