Proving Divisibility of 'abba' & 'abbbba' by 11

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The discussion focuses on proving the divisibility of the numbers 'abba' and 'abbbba' by 11. It is established that 'abba' can be expressed as 1001a + 110b, where both coefficients are divisible by 11, confirming its divisibility. For 'abbbba', a similar analysis shows that the expression simplifies to zero when applying the divisibility rule for 11. The participants also explore the general rule that a number is divisible by 11 if the alternating sum of its digits equals zero. The conversation concludes with a participant successfully understanding the proofs and the underlying concepts of divisibility.
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Homework Statement



A four digit number can be represented by 'abba'. (where a and b are digits)

1) show that abba is always divisible by 11.
2) show that abbbba is always divisible by 11.
3) is abbba divisble by 11?

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i honestly have no idea how to begin solving this, i understand what its asking but have no idea how to prove it.
 
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What are the rules of divisibility for 11?
 
You can write the number abba with its digits as N=1000*a+100*b+10b+a.

Collect the terms containing a and b:

N=1001*a +110 *b.

See if the factors 1001 and 110 are divisible by 11.

ehild
 
I have a easier way.

you can express N as :
10³a+10²b+10b+a
==(-1)³a+(-1)²b+(-1)b+a mod(11)
==-a+a+b-b mod(11)
==0 mod(11)

I believe the others can be proved analogously.
 
What icystrike said, can be generalized for any integer N.

Let

N=a_n10^n+...+a_110+a_0

Then, since 10=(-1)(mod11) it follows that 10^n=(-1)^n(mod11), and similarly for others, so:

a_n10^n+...+a_110+a_0=a_n(-1)^n+a_{n-1}(-1)^{n-1}+...+a_1(-1)+a_0(mod 11)

Which basically tells you that a number N is divisible by 11 iff when adding and subtracting its digits alternatively gives you zero.

now 2) -a+b-b+b-b+a=0. so yes!
 
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we haven't learned modulo yet so I am not sure how to use them. I understand what you guys mean when you say it can be represented by 1000a + 100b + 10b + a but i don't understand how to use 11 to solve it.
 
um0123 said:
we haven't learned modulo yet so I am not sure how to use them. I understand what you guys mean when you say it can be represented by 1000a + 100b + 10b + a but i don't understand how to use 11 to solve it.

ehild explained it without modulo.

Have a look at his/her post! (post #3)
 
thanks to everyone, i figured it out and gave an explanation stating that if both nomials are divisible by a common factor then the sum of the two must also be.
 
It can easily be proved that if d|a and d|b then d|(ah+bk), where h,k are integers.
 
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