Proving Entropy statement is equivalent to Clausius statement

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The discussion focuses on the application of the change in entropy equation for solids during heat exchange without reaching thermal equilibrium. The key equation presented is the change in entropy, given by $$\Delta S=mC\ln{(T_{1f}/T1)}+mC\ln{(T_{2f}/T2)}$$, where $$T_{1f}$$ and $$T_{2f}$$ represent the final temperatures of the solids after a small amount of heat, $$Q$$, is transferred. The process is reversible at constant temperature, but the solids do not maintain constant temperatures during the heat exchange. The clarification emphasizes that the system is designed to prevent thermal equilibrium until after the heat transfer.

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Relevant Equations
##\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T}##
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I don't understand how we can apply the change in entropy equation for each solid since the ##\frac{dT}{dt}## for each solid will be non-zero until the solids reach thermal equilibrium. My textbook says that the ##\Delta S## for a system undergoing a reversible process at constant temperature is given by
##\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T}##, however, the temperature of the each solid is not constant while the heat is getting exchanged.

Dose anybody please know what allows them to do that?

Many thanks!
 
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They are allowing only a small amount of heat to transfer, so that the temperatures of the two bodies do not significantly change before they are separated. They are not allowing the combined system to reach thermal equilibrium. After the bodies are separated, each body is allowed to re-equilibrate by itself.

To be more precise, they should write $$T_{1f}=T_1-\frac{Q}{mC}$$ $$T_{2f}=T_2+\frac{Q}{mC}$$and $$\Delta S=mC\ln{(T_{1f}/T1)}+mC\ln{(T_{2f}/T2)}$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
They are allowing only a small amount of heat to transfer, so that the temperatures of the two bodies do not significantly change before they are separated. They are not allowing the combined system to reach thermal equilibrium. After the bodies are separated, each body is allowed to re-equilibrate by itself.

To be more precise, they should write $$T_{1f}=T_1-\frac{Q}{mC}$$ $$T_{2f}=T_2+\frac{Q}{mC}$$and $$\Delta S=mC\ln{(T_{1f}/T1)}+mC\ln{(T_{2f}/T2)}$$
Thank you for your help @Chestermiller ! That is very helpful!
 

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