Proving ~ is an Equivalence Relation of A

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The problem involves proving that a defined relation on the set A={(u,v,w) in R^3 : u^2+v^2>0} is an equivalence relation. The relation is defined such that (u,v,w)~(u',v',w') if there exists a non-zero real number k such that (u',v',w')=(ku,kv,kw).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to demonstrate the reflexive, symmetric, and transitive properties of the relation. Some express uncertainty about the nature of the relation and how to approach the proof. Others suggest that specific examples may not be suitable for a general proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the requirements for proving the relation is an equivalence relation. There is a focus on understanding how to apply the properties to general cases rather than specific instances.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of working with general triples for the proof, as using specific examples may not fulfill the requirements for a formal proof.

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Homework Statement



Consider the set A={(u,v,w) in R^3 : u^2+v^2>0} and define a relation ~ on A by (u,v,w)~(u',v',w') IFF there exists a "k" in R, where k doesn't equal 0: (u',v',w')=(ku,kv,kw)

Prove that ~ is an equivalence relation of A


Homework Equations


I honestly don't know where to start, i know i need to satisfy the reflexive, symmetric & transitive requirements but i don't even know what the relation is here. Any help is very much appreciated.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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You're given the relation. Two vectors (u,v,w) and (u',v',w') are related if they are non-zero multiples of each other. For example, (1,1,1) ~ (2,2,2) since (2,2,2)=(2x1, 2x1, 2x1), i.e. k=2.
nikie1o2 said:

Homework Statement



Consider the set A={(u,v,w) in R^3 : u^2+v^2>0} and define a relation ~ on A by (u,v,w)~(u',v',w') IFF there exists a "k" in R, where k doesn't equal 0: (u',v',w')=(ku,kv,kw)

Prove that ~ is an equivalence relation of A


Homework Equations


I honestly don't know where to start, i know i need to satisfy the reflexive, symmetric & transitive requirements but i don't even know what the relation is here. Any help is very much appreciated.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
vela said:
You're given the relation. Two vectors (u,v,w) and (u',v',w') are related if they are non-zero multiples of each other. For example, (1,1,1) ~ (2,2,2) since (2,2,2)=(2x1, 2x1, 2x1), i.e. k=2.

Ok, So to show its reflexive i can pick an real numbers? I can say (u,v,w)=(1,1,1) so (1,1,1) R (1,1,1) ?
 
No, for reflexive, you'd need to look at a general triple (u,v,w). What does it mean to have
(u,v,w) ~ (u,v,w) ?

Write it out and find a value for k.

You'll need to work with general triples for all of the axioms for an equivalence relation.
(if you really get stuck, you might work with specific points to get a handle on what's happening, but you can't choose specific points for the proof)
 
nikie1o2 said:
Ok, So to show its reflexive i can pick an real numbers? I can say (u,v,w)=(1,1,1) so (1,1,1) R (1,1,1) ?
No, I was just using specific numbers as an example. As Mathnerdmo said, for a proof, you need to show it's true for the general case.
 

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