Proving the Limit of (x^2-1)=3 using Epsilon-Delta Definition

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the function (x^2 - 1) as x approaches -2, specifically showing that this limit equals 3 using the epsilon-delta definition of limits.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessary conditions for the epsilon-delta definition, particularly focusing on how to choose delta (D) in relation to epsilon (E). There is an exploration of the relationship between |x + 2| and |x - 2|, and how these affect the limit proof.

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Several participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the epsilon-delta definition and how to apply it to this specific limit problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the choice of D, but there remains a lack of consensus on the reasoning behind it. Participants are actively engaging with each other's questions and providing insights.

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There is a repeated emphasis on the need to make certain expressions small to satisfy the limit condition, and participants are questioning their assumptions and calculations regarding the bounds of |x + 2| and |x - 2|. The original poster expresses confusion about the answer key's suggestion for D.

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Homework Statement



Prove each statement using the epsilon delta definition of limit.

lim [tex](x^2-1)=3[/tex]
x -> -2



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The Attempt at a Solution



Given E > 0, we need D > 0 such that if [tex]|x-(-2)|<D[/tex] then [tex]|(x^2-4|<E[/tex].

If [tex]|x+2|<1[/tex], then [tex]-1<x+2<1[/tex] [tex]-5<x-2<-3[/tex] [tex]|x-2|<5[/tex].

Here's where I'm lost... my answer key says to take [tex]D=min{E/5,1}[/tex] but I don't understand why this is.

Thanks in advance.
 
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0range said:

Homework Statement



Prove each statement using the epsilon delta definition of limit.

lim [tex](x^2-1)=3[/tex]
x -> -2



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Given E > 0, we need D > 0 such that if [tex]|x-(-2)|<D[/tex] then [tex]|(x^2-4|<E[/tex].

If [tex]|x+2|<1[/tex], then [tex]-1<x+2<1[/tex] [tex]-5<x-2<-3[/tex] [tex]|x-2|<5[/tex].

Here's where I'm lost... my answer key says to take [tex]D=min{E/5,1}[/tex] but I don't understand why this is.

Thanks in advance.

So if |x+2| < 1 what would be your overestimate for

|x2 - 4| = |(x+2)(x-2)| ?

This is what you are trying to make small. How close to -2 does x have to be?
 
Sorry... I don't know how to figure that out.
 
You want to make [itex]|(x+2)(x- 2)|< \epsilon[/itex]. That's the same as [itex]|x+ 2|< \epsilon/|x- 2|[/itex]

Now, you have calculated that -5< x- 2< -3 so that 3<|x- 2< 5. The one you really want is 3< |x- 2|. That way, 1/|x- 2|> 1/3 and so [itex]\epsilon/|x-2|> \epsilon/3[/itex].
 
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LCKurtz said:
So if |x+2| < 1 what would be your overestimate for

|x2 - 4| = |(x+2)(x-2)| ?

This is what you are trying to make small. How close to -2 does x have to be?

0range said:
Sorry... I don't know how to figure that out.

If |x+2| < 1 you have shown that |(x-2)| < 5. So

|x2 - 4| = |(x+2)(x-2)| < 5|(x+2)|

How small does |x+2| need to be to make this less than [itex]\epsilon[/itex]? Answer that and you will see where the book's answer comes from.
 
I think I get it now... when I'm home from work I'll sit down, work through it and post the answer.

Thanks again, your help is very appreciated guys.
 

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