Proving the Vector Identity: curl(r x curlF) + (r . ∇)curlF + 2curlF = 0

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The discussion revolves around proving the vector identity involving curl and vector fields: curl(r × curlF) + (r · ∇)curlF + 2curlF = 0, where r is a vector and F is a vector field. Participants explore various identities and manipulations related to vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to manipulate the identity using vector calculus identities and express terms in different forms. There are questions about the validity of changing terms from (r · ∇)F to (r · ∇)G, and discussions about simplifying expressions and the implications of the vector r being defined as (x, y, z).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at simplification and expressing uncertainty about the next steps. Some have noted that certain terms cancel out during expansion, while others are questioning the transformations made in the expressions.

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There is a mention of the need to compute components and the potential for identities to simplify the problem further. Participants are also navigating the implications of the definitions and assumptions related to the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement


Show that:
curl(r \times curlF)+(r.\nabla)curlF+2curlF=0, where r is a vector and F is a vector field.

(Or letting G=curlF=\nabla \times F
i.e. \nabla \times (r \times G) + (r.\nabla)G+2G=0)

The Attempt at a Solution


I used an identity to change it to reduce (?) it to
(\nabla.G)r+(G.\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)G-(r.\nabla)G+(r.\nabla)G+2G
(\nabla.G)r+(G.\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)G+2G

I'm not sure where to go from here to show that it's equal to zero. At the moment the only approach I know of is to compute all the components an hope they sum up to zero but surely there's another identity that can simplify this a bit further.
 
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Sub back G=curl.F

div.curl.F=?
 
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Which gives
((\nabla \times F).\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)(\nabla \times F)+2\nabla \times F
or
(G.\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)G+2G

One term less = a bunch of less components to deal with - I'll try expanding it out now and see where I get.
 
Now I've got:

(G_1\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}+G_2\frac{\partial r}{\partial y}+G_3\frac{\partial r}{\partial z})-(G\frac{\partial r_1}{\partial x}+G\frac{\partial r_2}{\partial y}+G\frac{\partial r_3}{\partial z})+2G_1+2G_2+2G_3.

When I expand out the vectors(\frac{\partial r}{\partial x} into \frac{\partial r_1}{\partial x}, etc. and G into G_1, G_2, G_3), the diagonal terms cancel, i.e. G_1\frac{\partial r_1}{\partial x}i, G_2\frac{\partial r_2}{\partial y}j, G_3\frac{\partial r_3}{\partial z}k . What I'm left with doesn't look like it sums to zero, however.
 
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chipotleaway said:

Homework Statement


Show that:
curl(r \times curlF)+(r.\nabla)F+2curlF=0, where r is a vector and F is a vector field.

(Or letting G=curlF=\nabla \times F
i.e. \nabla \times (r \times G) + (r.\nabla)G+2G=0)
Why did you change ##(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\vec{F}## into ##(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\vec{G}##?

The Attempt at a Solution


I used an identity to change it to reduce (?) it to
(\nabla.G)r+(G.\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)G-(r.\nabla)G+(r.\nabla)G+2G
(\nabla.G)r+(G.\nabla)r-(\nabla.r)G+2G

I'm not sure where to go from here to show that it's equal to zero. At the moment the only approach I know of is to compute all the components an hope they sum up to zero but surely there's another identity that can simplify this a bit further.
 
vela said:
Why did you change ##(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\vec{F}## into ##(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\vec{G}##?

Sorry, my mistake. IT should be ##(\vec{r}\cdot\nabla)\nabla \times \vec{F}##
 
I think you're supposed to use the fact that ##\vec{r}## is not just any vector but that it's equal to ##\vec{r} = (x, y, z)##.
 

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