Proving trace of (1,1) Tensor is a scalar

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The discussion revolves around proving that the trace of a (1,1) tensor, denoted as Mab, is a scalar. Participants are exploring the properties of tensor transformations under coordinate changes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the trace does not transform under coordinate transformations by manipulating the transformation equations. Some participants question the balance of indices and suggest using the chain rule for partial derivatives. Others discuss the validity of changing dummy variables in summation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the transformation process and the treatment of indices. There is a focus on ensuring the mathematical expressions are correctly balanced and on clarifying notation for different coordinate systems.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor notation and transformations, with some uncertainty about the implications of changing dummy variables and the representation of tensors in different coordinate systems.

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Homework Statement


Given a tensor Mab, Prove that its trace is a scalar.


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To prove the trace is a scalar, I know I have to prove it doesn't transform under coordinate transformations.

Now, we can transform M^a_b as follows.
M'cd=(dx'c/dxa)(dxb/dx'd)Mab

For the trace Maa, the transformation is as follows. I've used the Kronecker delta for changing Mab to Maa. ( Am I along the right lines in doing so?).
M'cd=(dx'c/dxa)(dxb/dx'd)Mab(Kronecker deltaab)

Then I thought using the delta I change dxb to dxa and cancel the two dxa. However that would then the delta away from Mab, leaving it as Mab as before rather than Maa.

That's the best I can do, please help.
 
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The way you are doing it leaves your indices way out of balance. You've got three a indices and three b indices on the right side. Multiply both sides by [tex]\delta_c^d[/tex] and use the chain rule for partial derivatives.
 
Ok, so its,

To get the transformation equation for the trace, multiply both sides by delta cd[/SUB}

M'cd(delta cd)=(dxb/dx'd)(dx'c/dxa)Mab(delta cd)

Thus,
M'cc=(dxb/dx'c)(dx'c/dxa)Mab

By chain rule,

M'cc=(dxb/dxa)Mab

Now dxb/dxa=delta ab

Thus,

M'cc=Maa

Now, we can change the dummy variable c---> a. (I've seen this being done. Is it allowed only for indices that are being summed over, and thus don't affect other terms?)

Thus,
M'aa=Maa
i.e. Maa is invariant under coordinate transformations. Therefore Maa the trace of Mab is a scalar.

OK I get it, thanks Dick. Can someone check the dummy variable bit however.
 
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Yes, if a variable is summed, it doesn't matter what it's name is. I would put interchange the c and d on your delta though. You've got two c indices up. In the summation convention you usually want one up and one down.
 
Thanks :)
 
If I may quickly add another quick question.

Mab in primed x-coordinates is denoted simply by adding the prime, i.e. M'ab.

Instead if I was transforming Mab into the y-coordinates. How can I denote that?
 
If I understand your question, then you just write the same formula with y instead of x'. But I probably don't. How do you indicate M is a tensor in the y coordinate system?
 
Hi again Dick. Yeh, you misunderstood my question, but I managed to find out what I wanted.

Apparently Mab can be written as Mxab for the tensor in the x-coordinate system and Myab for the y-coordinate system.
 

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