Q: Electromagnet - Insulated vs Bare

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the use of insulated versus bare wire in creating electromagnets. Participants explore the effectiveness of both types of wire and the implications of insulation on the performance and safety of electromagnets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that insulation is necessary to prevent short circuits, which could render the electromagnet ineffective.
  • Others point out that both insulated and bare wire can be used to create an electromagnet, emphasizing that the flow of electricity is the critical factor.
  • One participant notes that insulated wire, such as enamel-coated wire, allows for closer winding of coils without shorting, potentially improving inductance.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the reliability of online sources, claiming that some articles provide incorrect information regarding the use of wire types.
  • It is mentioned that while bare wire may allow for better conduction, insulation can serve safety purposes and protect the wire from damage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether one type of wire is definitively better than the other. Multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity and effectiveness of insulated versus bare wire in electromagnet construction.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the effectiveness of wire types depend on specific conditions, such as the type of wire used, the amount of current, and the number of coils, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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There is a post on this forum stating that the insulation should be left on the wire to prevent a short circuit thus making the electromagnet ineffective. Lost the link and can't find it now.
But I am finding multiple articles on the internet that are using bare wire.
Ex of bare: http://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Electromagnet
Ex of insulated: http://www.energizer.com/learning-center/science-center/Pages/make-electromagnet.aspx
There are multiples on the web of both versions of creating the electromagnet, both insulated and non.

Why is either version working? Is there a right way or a wrong way?
 
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The information provided in first article is incorrect. Look at the pictures, they seem to be just collected from here and there. The cable in first picture is different, wires are smaller. Then in next two pictures the wire is thicker. And see, if the wire is not insulated, the iron nail would short circuit it.

Ideally, the coil wire should always have insulation on it. The wire for making coils, using in transformers, inductors etc. comes with a tiny varnish or enamel coating so the insulation is very thin. This type of wire visibly looks like non-insulated but its not. The closer the turns of coil are, the better its inductance - this is why special enamel coated wire is used - it allows you to make turns very close but still insulated.

If you use an ordinary non-insulated wire, one possible thing to do, is carefully wind the turns close but not touching each other. But this way inductance won't be very good.
 
GingerLee said:
The information provided in first article is incorrect. Look at the pictures, they seem to be just collected from here and there. The cable in first picture is different, wires are smaller. Then in next two pictures the wire is thicker. And see, if the wire is not insulated, the iron nail would short circuit it.

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so true ... gosh I can't believe how much garbage there is on the net for something that is so simple to make
I even left a message posted on the first link stating the pobvious fault ;)


Dave
 
Thank you both for confirmation.
 


I would like to clarify that both insulated and bare wire can be used to create an electromagnet. The key factor here is the flow of electricity through the wire, not the presence or absence of insulation.

Insulation is used to prevent the flow of electricity and to protect the wire from damage. In the case of an electromagnet, the flow of electricity is necessary to create a magnetic field. Therefore, insulation is not necessary for the functioning of the electromagnet. However, it may be used for safety purposes.

On the other hand, bare wire allows for better conduction of electricity, which can result in a stronger magnetic field. This is why some sources may recommend using bare wire for making an electromagnet.

Ultimately, the effectiveness of an electromagnet depends on factors such as the type of wire, the amount of current flowing through it, and the number of coils. Both insulated and bare wire can work effectively in creating an electromagnet, and there is no right or wrong way to do so. It is important to follow proper safety precautions and use the appropriate materials for the desired outcome.
 

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