Q3: Can a box with air pressure peaks dampen sound energy peaks?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores whether various "boxes" can dampen sound energy peaks generated by loudspeakers and air pressure peaks from fans. Participants examine the effectiveness of different designs in attenuating sound and pressure waves, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which box design muffles or attenuates sound and pressure extremes better, posing specific scenarios for loudspeakers and fans.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the boxes and automobile mufflers, suggesting that different designs may have varying levels of restrictiveness and effectiveness in reducing amplitude.
  • A later reply challenges the ability to compare sound energy and pressure energy in the boxes, noting that the absence of a medium to absorb sound energy may limit their effectiveness in that regard.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the boxes, with no consensus on which design performs best or whether sound and pressure energies can be directly compared.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in comparing sound and pressure energy, particularly regarding the assumptions about energy absorption and release mechanisms within the boxes.

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Attached is an image of four simple systems, two are loudspeakers, two are air fans.

My goal here is to examine if any of these "boxes" do anything to lower the peak amplitude of the energy in the system and which does it better and why.

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Q1: Imagine the loudspeaker generates a real low and then a real high frequency sound pressure wave.

1a. Which box muffles/dampens/attentuates the extremes better?

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Q2: Imagine the fan varies it's speed to generate real low and then a real high air flows which then result in low and high pressure waves.

2a. Which box muffles/dampens/attentuates the extremes better?

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silencer does the same thing for the engine
 
ank_gl said:
silencer does the same thing for the engine
Yes, an automobile engine produces noise and the flow of hot gases, so a muffler is an excellent comparison.

As mufflers vary from the straight flow-through type typicaly found on aircraft to the more restrictive type designed to provide a measured level of back-pressure for proper operating, there is a lot to choose from.

Looking again at the four diagrams, if we were rate them from least restrictive to most restrictive from a "pressure" stand point and then rate them in order of lowering the "amplitude" (sound and or pressure) would they be in the same order every time?

Which one first?

Which one last?

Why?
 
Suppose you cannot compare the sound energy and pressure energy in the four mechanicl boxes at all.
In case of the pressure energy of air pumped by fan, if there is a peak of pressrue from the fan, the air inside the box absorbes the addtiional energy by increasing the pressure which is to be released again later. In case of sound energy, if there is a peak of sound energy from the speaker, I do not see any media in the box that can absorbe the additional energy and release it again later.
 

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