QED propagator in Coulomb gauge

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The discussion centers on deriving the photon propagator in Coulomb gauge as presented in Stefan Pokorski's book on gauge field theories. Participants explore various methods and approaches to achieve this derivation, comparing it with the Lorenz gauge and addressing challenges encountered in the process.

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  • One participant outlines a method for deriving the photon propagator in Coulomb gauge, referencing specific equations and steps from Pokorski's book.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach using Faddeev-Popov quantization, arguing that the ghosts decouple in the Abelian gauge symmetry context.
  • A different participant proposes an ansatz for the inverse matrix related to the propagator, seeking to determine specific coefficients.
  • Another participant challenges the sufficiency of the proposed ansatz, noting the introduction of a preferred reference frame in the Coulomb gauge that complicates the derivation.
  • One participant expresses agreement with a calculation presented by another, while still emphasizing the importance of following Pokorski's method.
  • Concerns are raised about a leftover term in the Green function when comparing results with those in the book, prompting a discussion about the implications of this term in configuration space.
  • A participant mentions uncertainty regarding the origin of a specific tensor in the context of the discussion.
  • One participant indicates they cannot verify calculations from the book due to lack of access.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for deriving the propagator, with no consensus reached on the best approach or resolution of the leftover term issue. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation and application of the Coulomb gauge.

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Participants note that the derivations depend on specific gauge choices and the assumptions made in the calculations. The presence of unresolved mathematical steps and the introduction of additional terms complicate the discussion.

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My aim is to derive the photon propagator in an Coulomb gauge following Pokorski's book method.
In this book the photon propagator in Lorenz gauge was obtained as follows:

1. Lorenz gauge: ##\partial_{\mu}A^{\mu}=0##
2. It's proved that ##\delta_{\mu}A^{\mu}_T=0##, where ##A^{\mu}_T=(g^{\mu\nu}-\frac{\partial^{\mu}\partial{\nu}}{\partial^2})A^{\mu}## is the transverse field.
3. Then, ##\partial^2A^T_{\mu}=0\rightarrow (\partial^2-i\epsilon)D_{\mu\nu}(x-y)=-(g_{\mu\nu}-\frac{\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}}{\partial^2})\delta(x-y)##, is the equation for the corresponding the Green's function in the transverse space.
4. After a Fourien transformations this becomes ##(-k^2-i\epsilon)\tilde{D}_{\mu\nu}(k)=-(g_{\mu\nu}-\frac{k_{\mu}k_{\nu}}{k^2})##.

Now, in Coulomb gauge,

5. Coulomb gauge: ##\partial_{\mu}A^{\mu}-(n_{\mu}\partial^{\mu})(n_{\mu}A^{\mu})=0, \; n_{\mu}(1,0,0,0)##

6. I've tried to do the same program as before but I'm stuck. It's supose the propagator we have to obtain is:

$$\tilde{D}^{\alpha\beta}_{\mu\nu}=\frac{\delta^{\alpha\beta}}{k^2+i\epsilon}\left[g_{\mu\nu}-\frac{k\cdot n(k_{\mu}n_{\nu}+k_{\nu}n_{\mu})-k_{\nu}k_{\mu}}{(k\cdot n)^2-k^2}\right]$$.

The reference,
Gauge Field Theories, 2000. Stefan Pokorski. Pages: 129-132.

I'll appreciate any help.
 
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I checked the book. I also don't understand it ;-). I'd derive it in a very straight-forward way. Just do the usual Faddeev-Popov quantization. Since we deal with an Abelian gauge symmetry and use a linear gauge (Coulomb gauge),
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}=u^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} u_{\nu} A^{\nu}-\partial_{\mu} A^{\mu}=0, \quad (u^{\mu})=(1,0,0,0)$$
the Faddeev-Popov ghosts decouple, i.e., are free fields and can thus be omitted for the calculation of Green's functions.

The upshot is that the final gauge fixed QED Lagrangian reads
$$\mathcal{L}=-\frac{1}{4} F_{\mu \nu} F^{\mu \nu} -\frac{1}{2 \xi} (\vec{\nabla} \cdot A)^2 + \mathcal{L}_{\text{mat}}.$$
The propagator comes from evaluating the bilinear part for the photon fields. The inverse propagator after Fourier transformation to momentum space yields
$$(D^{-1})^{\mu \nu}=-k^2 \eta^{\mu \nu} + k^{\mu} k^{\nu} -\frac{1}{\xi} k_{\perp}^{\mu} k_{\perp}^{\nu}.$$
For convenience I have defined
$$k_{\perp}^{\mu}=k^{\mu} - u^{\mu} (u \dot k)=(0,k^1,k^2,k^3).$$
Taking the inverse of the matrix (I used Mathematica) leads to
$$D_{\mu \nu} = \frac{1}{k^2+\mathrm{i} 0^+} \left [-\eta_{\mu \nu} + \frac{(k \cdot u)(k_{\mu} u_{\nu}+k_{\nu} u_{\mu})-k_{\mu} k_{\nu}}{\vec{k}^2} \right]-\xi \frac{k_{\mu} k_{\nu}}{\left (\vec{k}^2 \right)^2}.$$
The Coulomb gauge in the sense of canonical quantization you get for ##\xi=0##.
 
vanhees71 said:
Taking the inverse of the matrix (I used Mathematica) leads to
Would it make sense to assume that the inverse matrix would be:
K_{\mu \nu} = a \eta_{\mu \nu} + b k_{\mu} k_\nu
and try to determine a,b?
 
That's not sufficient, because in the Coulomb (and also various axial) gauges there's an extra constant four-vector. In the case of the Coulomb and time-like axial gauges it introduces a preferred reference frame.

Your ansatz is valid for the covariant gauges leading to
$$\mathcal{L}=-\frac{1}{4} F_{\mu \nu} F^{\mu \nu}-\frac{1}{2 \xi} (\partial_{\mu} A^{\mu})^2.$$
Then you get
$$D_{\text{inv}}^{\mu \nu} = -k^2 \left (\eta^{\mu \nu} - \frac{k^{\mu} k^{\nu}}{k^2} \right)-\frac{1}{\xi} \frac{k^{\mu} k^{\nu}}{k^2}.$$
The inverse is very easily found since the matrix structures on the right-hand side are mutual Minkowski-orthogonal projectors (transverse and longitudinal degrees of freedom):
$$D_{\mu \nu} = -\frac{1}{k^2+\mathrm{i} 0^+} \left (\eta_{\mu \nu} - (1-\xi) \frac{k_{\mu} k_{\nu}}{k^2+\mathrm{i} 0^+} \right).$$
The most common special cases are ##\xi=0## (Landau gauge), where the propgator is transverse and ##\xi=1## (Feynman gauge). It's also a good check to do calculations with arbitrary ##\xi## to check whether the S-matrix elements come out gauge invariant, i.e., independent of ##\xi##, as it should be.
 
Thanks @vanhees71 i agree with your calculation.

However I was insisting on the calculation of Pokorski, and redefine the projection operator in Coulomb gauge as follows https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-wEel3giyirs51tCc6stWMDCHQk66FApKzVSz8N35sfcyZLn8jbsULn3fO5PqCwxoGH4nkLovJSeSm65J69qU1w/messages/@.id==AIa-imIAIOcgWXjPXQDPCIhGVdc/content/parts/@.id==3/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=6e23abce-7cd4-09ba-01d0-8800fa010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBZJX0cP3Smm0PLzoYxAZwyLAqSNYkOQUN8PUuanbftOsUJcnwk4dNUd4utEI3EJJsxRaGMi_a4dULZHRa_xD1WB
But, when i put the Green function in momentum space there's a leftover term, https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-wEel3giyirs51tCc6stWMDCHQk66FApKzVSz8N35sfcyZLn8jbsULn3fO5PqCwxoGH4nkLovJSeSm65J69qU1w/messages/@.id==AIa-imIAIOcgWXjPXQDPCIhGVdc/content/parts/@.id==4/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=6e23abce-7cd4-09ba-01d0-8800fa010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBZJX0cP3Smm0PLzoYxAZwyLAqSNYkOQUN8PUuanbftOsUJcnwk4dNUd4utEI3EJJsxRaGMi_a4dULZHRa_xD1WB compared with the result in the book.
In order to solve this i followed this reasoning: in configuration space this leftover term must be canceled because when the Green function is acting on the gauge field space, we have to evaluate https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-wEel3giyirs51tCc6stWMDCHQk66FApKzVSz8N35sfcyZLn8jbsULn3fO5PqCwxoGH4nkLovJSeSm65J69qU1w/messages/@.id==AIa-imIAIOcgWXjPXQDPCIhGVdc/content/parts/@.id==5/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=6e23abce-7cd4-09ba-01d0-8800fa010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBZJX0cP3Smm0PLzoYxAZwyLAqSNYkOQUN8PUuanbftOsUJcnwk4dNUd4utEI3EJJsxRaGMi_a4dULZHRa_xD1WB in Coulomb Gauge. Are you agree with that?

On the other hand, there's a https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-wEel3giyirs51tCc6stWMDCHQk66FApKzVSz8N35sfcyZLn8jbsULn3fO5PqCwxoGH4nkLovJSeSm65J69qU1w/messages/@.id==AIa-imIAIOcgWXjPXQDPCIhGVdc/content/parts/@.id==6/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=6e23abce-7cd4-09ba-01d0-8800fa010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBZJX0cP3Smm0PLzoYxAZwyLAqSNYkOQUN8PUuanbftOsUJcnwk4dNUd4utEI3EJJsxRaGMi_a4dULZHRa_xD1WB tensor i don't know where it comes from. Any idea?
 
I don't have the book here. So can't check his calculation right now.
 

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