QFT Klein Gordon Theory, momentum commutator computation

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I think I understand part b) . The idea is to move the operator that annihilates to the RHS via the commutator relation.

However I can't seem to get part a.

I have:

## [ P^u, P^v]= \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' (a^{\dagger}(k)a(k)a^{\dagger}(k')a(k') k^u k'^v - a^{\dagger}(k')a(k')a^{\dagger}(k)a(k) k'^vk^u)##

And I can't even think of a first move here, and I don't see anyway to include the commutator expression?

Many thanks in advance
 

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expand the commutator and insert it into the integral
 
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expand the commutator and insert it into the integral
which commutator? i dont understand
 
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annihilation commutation relation...
 
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annihilation commutation relation...
As I said in my intiial post I can't see how you can factorise to get where to insert this commutator.
I.e i can't spot a factorisation of the form ## f(a^{\dagger}(k'),a(k')) [a(k),a^{\dagger}(k)] ##

Because ##a^{\dagger}(k'),a(k')## is on the rhs in the first term, but on the lhs in the second term...
 
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expand the commutation relation and substitute in for [itex] a(k)a^\dagger(k')[/itex] in the first expression and similarly for the right hand equation, the delta function will integrate out and you can simplify from there.
 
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ahh ofc,thanks
 
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expand the commutation relation and substitute in for [itex] a(k)a^\dagger(k')[/itex] in the first expression and similarly for the right hand equation, the delta function will integrate out and you can simplify from there.
Nope actually I'm still struggling

Doing this I have:

## \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k)a(k') + a^{\dagger}(k)(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k') - a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) - a^{\dagger}(k')(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k))##

##= \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k) a(k')) +\int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k')) - \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) ) - \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k))##

##= \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k) a(k')) + \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) )##

so the two delta terms have cancelled but I dont know what to do with these two terms.

Thanks
 
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Nope actually I'm still struggling

Doing this I have:

## \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k)a(k') + a^{\dagger}(k)(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k') - a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) - a^{\dagger}(k')(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k))##

##= \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k) a(k')) +\int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k')) - \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) ) - \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')(2\pi)^3\delta^3(k-k')a(k))##


##= \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k)^{\dagger}(k')a(k) a(k')) + \int \int \frac{1}{(2\pi)^6} d^3k d^3 k' k'^vk^u (a^{\dagger}(k')^{\dagger}(k)a(k')a(k) )##

so the two delta terms have cancelled but I dont know what to do with these two terms.

Thanks
I'm aware that the two annihilator operators and the two creation operators commute and so i suspect the answer is we can just swap these and then the two expressions are identical and cancel.

However with the operator being swapped having another operator on both the left and right side , I am confused whether this is valid because , if we were only acting on a bra, then I agree its fine to swap the annihilator operators, and if only acting on a ket to swap the creation operators. However I believe we should make it general, so acting on a bra and a ket

I can't get my head around, to me if you are swapping the operator in the middle of a string of three operators, you are not just assuming commutation between two of them, but all three... ? thanks
 

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