QM: Angular Momentum-Wavefunction "psi" & Schrodinger's Eq.

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a particle described by a wavefunction in spherical coordinates. The participants are exploring the angular momentum content of the state, the energy associated with the wavefunction, and the potential as a function of radius.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the implications of the wavefunction's form on angular momentum, questioning the normalization constant's role, and discussing the conditions under which the potential is considered to vanish.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process and the limits of the potential, while others are seeking clarification on specific steps and assumptions made in the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the derived energy and the book's solution.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption that the potential approaches zero as the radius goes to infinity, which is central to the problem's context. Participants are also reflecting on the importance of careful reading of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



Particle described by wavefunction psi(r,theta,phi) = A*Exp[-r/a0] (a0 = constant)

(1) What is the angular momentum content of the state
(2) Assuming psi is an eigenstate in a potential that vanishes as r -> infinity, find E (match leading terms in Schrödinger's equation)
(3) Having found E, consider finite r and find V(r)

Homework Equations


Schrödinger's equation in spherical coordinates.

The Attempt at a Solution



(1) The term A, in the wavefunction, is not given to be a function of theta or phi. I am thinking it is a normalization constant. Therefore, apparently there is no theta or phi dependence, l = 0. Does this seem reasonable.

(2) If l = 0, then Schrödinger's equation becomes:

(-h_bar^2/(2*mu) *(1/r^2 * partial/partial_r * r^2 partial/partial_r) + V(r))psi = E*psi

Let V(r) = 0 and plug in the given psi.

The answer if get is E = -h_bar^2/(2*mu*ao^2*r^2) * (r^2 - 2*r*a0).
The book's answer is E = -h_bar^2/(2*mu*ao^2)

The additional terms in my solution come from carring out the differentiation operations on psi. The (1/r^2 * partial/partial_r * r^2 partial/partial_r) on psi gets me 1/r^2)* (r^2 - 2*r*a0). Somehow the book solution eliminates the 2*r*ao term but I do not see how.

If I can figure out where I am going off track on part 2, I think I can manage part 3. Can you help?

jsc
 
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Homework Statement



Particle described by wavefunction psi(r,theta,phi) = A*Exp[-r/a0] (a0 = constant)

(1) What is the angular momentum content of the state
(2) Assuming psi is an eigenstate in a potential that vanishes as r -> infinity, find E (match leading terms in Schrödinger's equation)
(3) Having found E, consider finite r and find V(r)

Homework Equations


Schrödinger's equation in spherical coordinates.


The Attempt at a Solution



(1) The term A, in the wavefunction, is not given to be a function of theta or phi. I am thinking it is a normalization constant. Therefore, apparently there is no theta or phi dependence, l = 0. Does this seem reasonable.

(2) If l = 0, then Schrödinger's equation becomes:

(-h_bar^2/(2*mu) *(1/r^2 * partial/partial_r * r^2 partial/partial_r) + V(r))psi = E*psi

Let V(r) = 0 and plug in the given psi.

The answer if get is E = -h_bar^2/(2*mu*ao^2*r^2) * (r^2 - 2*r*a0).
The book's answer is E = -h_bar^2/(2*mu*ao^2)

The additional terms in my solution come from carring out the differentiation operations on psi. The (1/r^2 * partial/partial_r * r^2 partial/partial_r) on psi gets me 1/r^2)* (r^2 - 2*r*a0). Somehow the book solution eliminates the 2*r*ao term but I do not see how.

If I can figure out where I am going off track on part 2, I think I can manage part 3. Can you help?

jsc

The potential is NOT zero. they just say that it goes to zero as r goes to infinity. So your solution is only valid when r goes to infinity. Take this limit in your answer and you will agree with the book.
 
kdv,

Thanks, that is the solution.

How can I learn to see these types of things more effectively?

jsc
 
jsc314159 said:
kdv,

Thanks, that is the solution.

How can I learn to see these types of things more effectively?

jsc

In this case, you simply had to read very carefully the question. That was the key: that they say thatV goes to zero at infinity.
 
I will keep that in mind.

Thanks again.
 

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