Quantization on momentum space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantization in momentum space, specifically examining the implications of applying time derivatives to the position operator in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between wave functions in momentum space and their time evolution, with references to different representations in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the application of the time derivative to the position operator, suggesting that it is not time-varying and thus does not have a time derivative.
  • Another participant asserts that the time derivative of the position operator is valid in certain representations of quantum mechanics, specifically mentioning the Heisenberg representation.
  • A participant points out that the original poster is likely working within the Schrödinger picture, which may affect the interpretation of the time-varying state.
  • There is a mention of transforming states between position and momentum representations, indicating the flexibility in how quantum states can be expressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of applying a time derivative to the position operator, with some supporting its use in specific contexts while others contest its applicability in the Schrödinger picture. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various representations in quantum mechanics, such as the Schrödinger and Heisenberg pictures, which may influence the interpretation of operators and their time dependence. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct formulation of transformations between momentum and position states.

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I have this doubt..quantization in momentum space using G(p) as the Fourier transform of the wave function was not common (at least when i studied Q. Physics) my doubt is, if we have that:

[tex]x |G(p)>=i \hbar \frac{ \partial G(p)}{\partial p}[/tex]

But..what would happen if we apply:

[tex]\dot x |G(p)> = ?[/tex] here the "dot" means time derivative...

[tex]G(p)= \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dx \psi (x) e^{i\omega t -ipx}[/tex]
 
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The position operator X isn't time varying; it doesn't make sense to ask for its time derivative! Also, there's no reason here to restrict yourself to stationary states.


Anyways, you know that:

[tex] | p \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-ipx} |x \rangle \, dx[/tex]

(but I might have a sign wrong, or a constant multiple missing)

So, you can always transform your state:

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} G(p) |p \rangle \, dp[/tex]

into

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \left( \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} G(p) e^{-ipx} \, dp \right) | x \rangle \, dx[/tex]

if you really need to. (e.g. if you only know how to apply an operator to position states)
 
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It's been well known, at least since the 1930s, that dx/dt is a perfectly respectable operator in QM -- provided one is working in the Heisenberg or interaction representations (or pictures as they are sometimes called). This is pretty standard stuff, and thus is explained in countless books and papers. Dirac, in his Quantum Mechanics, discusses the dx/dt operator in section 30. He also gives an extensive discussion of the momentum represention in section 23.(For a non-relativistic free particle, dx/dt = p/m in the Heisenberg rep.)

Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
He's working in the Schrödinger picture, though -- G(p) is a time-varying state.
 
Hurkyl said:
He's working in the Schrödinger picture, though -- G(p) is a time-varying state.
Right you are, as is often the case.. Reilly
 

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