Quantum Communication: Entanglement, Interference & FTL

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of using quantum entanglement for faster-than-light (FTL) communication, specifically examining the implications of entangled particles and the concept of "spooky action at a distance." Participants explore theoretical scenarios and challenge the feasibility of such communication systems.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to entangle two particles, separate them over a large distance, and then interfere with one particle to observe effects in the other, suggesting a potential for FTL communication.
  • Another participant asserts that FTL communication via entanglement is not possible.
  • A detailed analogy involving stone-throwers and targets is presented to illustrate the concept of correlation in measurements between two observers, Alice and Bob, emphasizing that changes made by one observer do not affect the other's results in a way that allows for communication.
  • Participants discuss the notion of "spooky action at a distance," with one questioning its existence and another stating that even if it exists, it cannot be utilized for communication.
  • Several participants reference existing threads that explain why entanglement cannot facilitate communication, indicating a broader context of ongoing debate on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of using quantum entanglement for FTL communication. While some assert it is impossible, others explore the theoretical implications without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of quantum measurements and correlations, as well as the limitations of the analogy used. The implications of "spooky action at a distance" remain unresolved, and the participants do not clarify the definitions or conditions under which these concepts are discussed.

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is it possible to entangle two particles and then separate them buy a large distance, and then interfere with one of the particles and observe this in the other, like a quantum communication system that is faster than light?
 
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No, it is not.
 
ed777 said:
is it possible to entangle two particles and then separate them buy a large distance, and then interfere with one of the particles and observe this in the other, like a quantum communication system that is faster than light?
Suppose you have two stone-throwers sitting back-to-back throwing stones at two oppositely positioned targets. Let's call the targets A and B. Now let's assume that the stone-throwers both repeatedly throw stones simultanuously at the targets, and let's suppose they have a chance of exactly 50 percent to hit the target, and 50 percent to miss it. Suppose behind each target stands an observer, checking for each stone if it hits or misses. Let's call them Alice and Bob.

What we can firstly conclude is that Alice and Bob both observe 50 percent of the stones hitting their observed target, and 50 percent missing it.

Now suppose the stone-throwers simultanuously hit or miss their targets. There would still be a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing each target, but if one was hit, the other would also be hit, and similarly for misses. This would be a measureble effect if Alice and Bob would compare their notes! They would measure a 100 percent match between hits and likewise between misses.

Now suppose that in midflight of the stones, Bob would change something to target B that would influence whether it would be hit or missed while keeping the probability ratio of being hit 50/50. Now Alice and Bob still would observe 50 percent hits and 50 percent misses. However, if they would compare their notes, they would notice that there wouldn't be a 100 percent match between hits on one side and misses on the other. Sometimes there would be a miss where the other got a hit.

So, in the latter case, Alice and Bob would still see a 50/50 ratio hits/misses on their own target. Bob didn't change Alice's ratio. The difference between the targets only became apparent when Alice and Bob compared notes.

Note: To be more precise, all we know, is that Alice's and Bob's observations stay the same, and that the hit/miss correlation between them may vary; whether Bob's change in his target really does not at all affect Alice's results, we cannot know. After all, we can't know what 'would have happened' would Bob have decided otherwise. In any case, any 'influence' Bob would pose on Alice would perfectly blend into Alice's results, since both exhibit a purely random 50/50 ratio. :wink:
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
No, it is not.
what about spooky action at a distance?
 
ed777 said:
what about spooky action at a distance?
We could have another long thread about whether spooky action at a distance even exists - we already have several of these - but even if it does it cannot be used for communication.

There are many many threads here explaining why.
 
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