Quantum Oscillator in 1D: How Can a Real Particle Have an Imaginary Velocity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a one-dimensional quantum oscillator and the implications of a particle having an imaginary velocity when it is in a classically forbidden region where the potential energy exceeds the total energy. Participants explore the interpretation of this phenomenon within the framework of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a real particle can have an imaginary velocity when it is measured in a position where the potential energy exceeds the fundamental energy level.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "the velocity of the particle" in this context, indicating a need for further definition.
  • A participant considers the scenario of a wave packet and discusses the implications of the particle being outside the permitted energy region, leading to an imaginary momentum value.
  • One participant notes that in quantum mechanics, the momentum operator is inherently imaginary, and this characteristic persists across classical turning points, highlighting the relationship between kinetic energy and the classically forbidden region.
  • It is mentioned that the expectation values for momentum and position are zero for all eigenstates of the quantum oscillator, and that normalization can be adjusted to yield imaginary values for the position operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and seek clarification on the interpretation of imaginary velocity and momentum, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of velocity and momentum in quantum mechanics, as well as the implications of being in a classically forbidden region. There are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of imaginary values in this context.

RealKiller69
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I have got a simple qstion.
We have a particle in 1d oscillator with E0( fundamental level).We know that phi~ e^-x^2 for any x, so We can measure a position and get a value x=a, such that V(a)>E0 . In this case T<0 so the velocity of the particle is imaginary, how is this even possible?, (a real particle moving an imaginary velocity.)
 
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RealKiller69 said:
We can measure a position and get a value x=a, such that V(a)>E0
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RealKiller69 said:
T<0 so the velocity of the particle is imaginary
What is 'the velocity of the particle' in your context ?
 
BvU said:
Yes
What is 'the velocity of the particle' in your context ?
Thats what I am trying to figure out, i can consider a wave package when the particle is in the permitted region for tht energy but if it gets out of that region ( the wave function doesn't restrict the particle in a specific region) i will get an imaginary value for the momentum. How do i interpret this thought experiment??.
 
In QM, the 1-D momentum operator is ##\ \displaystyle { {\hbar\over i }{\partial \over \partial x }} \quad ## imaginary everywhere (*) -- no difference left or right of each of the classical turning points ...

As you found, the classically forbidden region past the turning points comes with a negative kinetic energy

Note that the expectation value for the momentum as well as for the position is zero for all eigenstates of the QM oscillator !(*) in the convention that we normalize to real amplitude coefficients. We can choose them purely imaginary, in which case the position operator ##x\psi## yields imaginary values !
 

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