Quartz Resonator: Differences Between Crystal Resonators, Oscillators & Filters

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The discussion revolves around the differences and functionalities of crystal resonators, oscillators, and filters, focusing on their operational principles and applications in electronic circuits. Participants explore the necessity of additional components in crystal filters and the implications of using crystal resonators for frequency selection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that crystal resonators, oscillators, and filters operate similarly, with filters incorporating additional components like capacitors and resistors for specific functionalities.
  • One participant notes that while crystal filters are not commonly used, they may have special applications, contrasting them with RLC and RC filters.
  • There is a proposal that a simple crystal resonator could be used as a filter if startup time is not a concern, although another participant expresses skepticism about this simplicity.
  • Participants discuss the need for external circuitry in crystal filters, with one mentioning that typical crystal filters utilize multiple crystals to achieve desired filtering characteristics.
  • Some participants highlight the differences in startup times and frequency accuracy between crystal and ceramic resonators, noting that crystal oscillators have longer startup times but better frequency stability.
  • One participant shares their experience building ladder crystal IF filters, indicating their effectiveness in radio applications.
  • There is mention of surface acoustic wave (SAW) filters, which operate differently from traditional crystal filters and do not rely on frequency cuts.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and functionality of additional components in crystal filters, with no consensus reached on the simplicity of using crystal resonators as filters. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific roles of these components in filtering applications.

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Participants reference various sources and tutorials to support their points, indicating a reliance on external information for understanding the complexities of crystal filters and resonators. The discussion highlights the nuanced technical aspects and assumptions surrounding the use of these components in electronic circuits.

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when reading about the main differences between crystal resonators, oscillators and filters there's not much difference in operation, except that filters seem to have the crystal resonators and capacitors and resistors, And resonators seem to oscillate when the proper frequency is applied, And oscillators oscillate when a voltage is applied but also have amplifiers and feedbacks to the crystal. So my main question is why do you need a crystal filter with capacitors to properly filter when you can use a quartz resonator to filter to the specific frequency? Is it for the narrow bandwidth?
 
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I haven't seen crystals or resonators use much in filters, but I suppose there are some special applications where they could be used. Most filters I'm familiar with are RLC passive filters, or RC active filters (with opamps or other amplifier stages).

Crystals have higher Qs than ceramic resonators, so they start up slower in oscillator circuits, but have better frequency accuracy. Ceramic resonators have lower Qs, so they start up faster in oscillator circuits, but have worse frequency accuracy and drift. Oscillator circuits using either crystals or ceramic resonators will have a gain feedback element, to create an instability at the resonant frequency of the crystal or resonator, where the combination oscillates stably at the desired frequency.

Does that help, or do you have follow-up questions?
 
so if I wanted to select a certain frequency from a signal, and the start up time didn't matter, I could use a simple crystal resonator set at the desired frequency as a filter. Without any other electronic components.
 
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so if I wanted to select a certain frequency from a signal, and the start up time didn't matter, I could use a simple crystal resonator set at the desired frequency as a filter. Without any other electronic components.

I don't think it's that simple.

Oscillator basics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator

Crystal Filter mentioned in 2.4.1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_filter

Crystal Filter Building Blocks from Fox: http://www.foxonline.com/pdfs/filters.pdf

Ah, finally -- the best google search term is "monolithic crystal filter" (whew!) Here's a tutorial:

http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/data/crystals/monolithic_crystal_filter.php


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Startup time applies to crystal oscillators, not to filters.

The low power crystals used in watches have very long startup times.
 
okay so on the page on monolithic filters it mentions a typical crystal filter that includes capcitors resistors and crystal oscillators. But doesn't mention the exact reason it needs those other electrical components. But I do know that typical crystal filters use several crystals. So are the other components there to basically direct the signal through the other crystals and to get rid of the unwanted frequencies. Also with the monolithic filter they usually are cut a certain way to get the desired frequency. So do they need external components to operate in an electronic circuit.
 
Chances are you will need some sort of external circuitry for just about any filter.
Just what any internal components might be doing depends on the specific device.

There are SAW (surface acoustic wave) filters also.
These are not cut to a frequency, but depend on antenna like structures deposited on the substrate surface.
http://www.oscilent.com/catalog/Category/saw_filter.htm
 
I have build ladder crystal IF filters using 4 or 5 crystals of the same frequency. The make good filters with steep sides and low ripple.

They are used in professional and amateur radio equipment.

http://www.pan-tex.net/usr/r/receivers/cryfil.htm


An off the shelf filter crystal filter for (CW) Morse can cost £80.. $150..

http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/yf110cn-250hz-narrow-crystal-filter-ft1000mpfield-p-844.html
 
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