Quasi-local mass as a measure of the gravitational energy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quasi-local mass or quasi-local energy, particularly in the context of general relativity. Participants explore the relationship between quasi-local mass and gravitational energy, questioning how gravitational energy can be measured when gravitation is understood as a curvature of spacetime rather than a classical force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about why quasi-local mass is considered a measure of gravitational energy, given that gravity is viewed as a curvature of spacetime in general relativity.
  • Several participants request specific references to support claims regarding quasi-local mass, indicating a need for a solid basis for the discussion.
  • A reference from arXiv is provided, suggesting that the term "quasi-local mass" is more familiar to those in mathematical relativity or mathematical physics.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on which part of the provided reference supports the initial question about the relationship between quasi-local mass and gravitational energy.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are ongoing requests for references and clarifications, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved and contested.

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There are limitations in the discussion, such as the lack of specific references initially provided and the need for further clarification on the relationship between quasi-local mass and gravitational energy.

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How can we talk about the gravitational energy without considering it as a force field?
I'm self-studying the mathematical aspects of quasi-local mass, or quasi-local energy (e.g. Hawking energy), and a fundamental question has been lingering in my mind for a long time: why does quasi-local mass provide us with a measure of the gravitational energy? In general relativity, gravitation is seen as a consequence of the curved spacetime instead of a force in classical mechanics. If so, how can we talk about its energy without considering it as a force field? Thank you.
 
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Steve Rogers said:
quasi-local mass, or quasi-local energy
Please give a specific reference for where you are getting this from. Without a specific reference we do not have a valid basis for discussion.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Please give a specific reference for where you are getting this from. Without a specific reference we do not have a valid basis for discussion.
Hello, a quick reference for this topic can be found on arXiv, as follows.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.02931

I guess the term "quasi-local mass" is more familiar to people working on mathematical relativity or mathematical physics, such as Shing-Tung Yau and Robert Geroch.

Thank you for replying.
 
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Steve Rogers said:
a quick reference for this topic can be found on arXiv, as follows.
Thanks for the reference. Can you point out which particular part of it is the basis for your question?

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why does quasi-local mass provide us with a measure of the gravitational energy?
 
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