Question about the Dirac delta function

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of an interval on the x-axis, defined by a parameter L, into a Dirac delta function. Participants explore the implications of this transformation in the context of mathematical functions and integrals, raising questions about the nature and representation of the Dirac delta function.

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  • One participant asks if an interval defined by L can be transformed into a Dirac delta function.
  • Another participant suggests that the interval can be represented as a point as ε approaches zero.
  • A different participant proposes using integration to express the interval as an indicator function involving the Dirac delta function.
  • There is a question about whether L corresponds to the difference between the endpoints of the interval, a and b.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to represent a function involving L with the Dirac delta function.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of L as a constant or a parameter related to the width of a space.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the transformation of intervals to Dirac delta functions, with no consensus reached on the implications or methods of representation. Some participants agree on certain mathematical approaches, while others question the assumptions and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of L, the nature of the Dirac delta function, and how these concepts interact within the context of the participants' functions and integrals.

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SeM
Hi, if I have an interval on the x-axis, defined by the parameter L, can this, interval be transformed to a Dirac delta function instead, on the x-axis?

Thanks!
 
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Wouldn't it simply become a point ? Like in: the interval ##[x,x+\epsilon]## becomes the point ##x## for ##\epsilon \downarrow 0##
 
BvU said:
Wouldn't it simply become a point ? Like in: the interval ##[x,x+\epsilon]## becomes the point ##x## for ##\epsilon \downarrow 0##

Good "point"! Thanks, I will give it a thought!
Cheers
 
You can do it with integration, if that is ok. An indicator of the interval (a,b) would be f(x) = ∫-∞xδ(t-a)dt - ∫-∞xδ(t-b)dt.

PS. I'm not sure about the value at the interval endpoints, a and b.
 
Thank you! This is indeed a great suggestion. However, L is included in a function I have, f(x), and currently it is a parameter. It would be useful to use your form somehow, as you write:

\begin{equation}
\int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-a)dt - \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-b)dt
\end{equation}

Is L actually a-b here, and t is the variable of my function, f(x)?

If e^(ix)+L is my function, would the equivalent be :

\begin{equation}
\int_{-\infty}^x \delta(e^{it}-a)dt - \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(e^{it}-b)dt
\end{equation} ?

Thanks!
 
SeM said:
Thank you! This is indeed a great suggestion. However, L is included in a function I have, f(x), and currently it is a parameter. It would be useful to use your form somehow, as you write:

\begin{equation}
\int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-a)dt - \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-b)dt
\end{equation}

Is L actually a-b here,
For an interval (a,b) where a<b, that would make L negative. If 'L' stands for length, do you mean L = b-a?
If so, you could change the definition of the indicator function (call it I(x) to distinguish it from your f(x)). Then
\begin{equation}
I(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-a)dt - \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(t-(a+L))dt
\end{equation}
and t is the variable of my function, f(x)?
t is just a dummy variable for the integration, so it does not appear as an input or parameter of the indicator function.
If e^(ix)+L is my function, would the equivalent be :

\begin{equation}
\int_{-\infty}^x \delta(e^{it}-a)dt - \int_{-\infty}^x \delta(e^{it}-b)dt
\end{equation} ?
I'm confused about what you are trying to do here.
 
[QUOTE\I'm confused about what you are trying to do here.[/QUOTE]Me too. I am unfamiliar with the Dirac delta function. It just says \delta and it gives therefore no idea to me on how it looks like a function.

Nevertheless, you say the dirac f is a dummy function. The thing I am not sure about is that because L is part of the existing function, f(x), say:

\begin{equation}
f(x) = e^{-ipk}/L
\end{equation}

how would the Dirac variant of this look like, where L is represented by the integral?

Thanks
 
SeM said:
It just says \delta and it gives therefore no idea to me on how it looks like a function.
'It just says'? Where are you seeing this reference to the delta function? You need to back up and explain more about what your original problem is and why you want to use the delta function.
Nevertheless, you say the dirac f is a dummy function.
Who said that it is a 'dummy' function? I never said that.
The thing I am not sure about is that because L is part of the existing function, f(x), say:

\begin{equation}
f(x) = e^{-ipk}/L
\end{equation}

how would the Dirac variant of this look like, where L is represented by the integral?
Why would you want to replace L with a delta function? Is L a constant?
 
FactChecker said:
Why would you want to replace L with a delta function? Is L a constant?
L is a parameter, the width of the space the particle is in.
 

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