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The forum discussion focuses on proving the commutation relations between the squared angular momentum operators in quantum mechanics, specifically showing that ##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]=[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]=[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]##. The discussion highlights the use of the commutator identities and the definitions of the angular momentum operators ##L_x, L_y,## and ##L_z##. The user Joseph Shtok suggests utilizing the identities to simplify the calculations, indicating that the approach will lead to the correct results despite not completing the proof.

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Homework Statement



Show that ##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]=[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]=[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]##

Homework Equations


##L^2 = L_{x}^2+L_{y}^2+L_{z}^2##
##L_x = yp_z-zp_y##
##L_y = zp_x-xp_z##
##L_z = xp_y-yp_x##
##[x_i,p_j]=iħδ_{ij}##
##[L_x,L_y]=iħL_z##
##[L_y,L_z]=iħL_x##
##[L_z,L_x]=iħL_y##
##[A,B]=AB-BA##

The Attempt at a Solution



##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= [L_{x}L_{x},L_{y}L_{y}]##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{y}L_{x}L_{x}##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{y}L_{x}L_{x}±L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}+L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}-L_{y}L_{y}L_{x}L_{x}##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}+L_{y}(L_{x}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{x})L_{x}##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}+L_{y}[L_{x},L_{y}]L_{x}##
##[L_{x}^2,L_{y}^2]= L_{x}L_{x}L_{y}L_{y}-L_{y}L_{x}L_{y}L_{x}+iħL_{y}L_{z}L_{x}##

##[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]= [L_{y}L_{y},L_{z}L_{z}]##
##[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]= L_{y}L_{y}L_{z}L_{z}-L_{z}L_{z}L_{y}L_{y}##
##[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]= L_{y}L_{y}L_{z}L_{z}±L_{z}L_{y}L_{z}L_{y}-L_{z}L_{z}L_{y}L_{y}##
##[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]= L_{y}L_{y}L_{z}L_{z}-L_{z}L_{y}L_{z}L_{y}+L_{z}L_{y}L_{z}L_{y}-L_{z}L_{z}L_{y}L_{y}##
##[L_{y}^2,L_{z}^2]= L_{y}L_{y}L_{z}L_{z}-L_{z}L_{y}L_{z}L_{y}+iħL_{z}L_{x}L_{y}##

##[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]= [L_{z}L_{z},L_{x}L_{x}]##
##[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]= L_{z}L_{z}L_{x}L_{x}-L_{x}L_{x}L_{z}L_{z}##
##[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]= L_{z}L_{z}L_{x}L_{x}±L_{x}L_{z}L_{x}L_{z}-L_{x}L_{x}L_{z}L_{z}##
##[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]= L_{z}L_{z}L_{x}L_{x}-L_{x}L_{z}L_{x}L_{z}+L_{x}L_{z}L_{x}L_{z}-L_{x}L_{x}L_{z}L_{z}##
##[L_{z}^2,L_{x}^2]= L_{z}L_{z}L_{x}L_{x}-L_{x}L_{z}L_{x}L_{z}+iħL_{x}L_{y}L_{z}##

It not equal. My answer is incorrect.
 
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I suggest to use the commutator identities:
[AB,C] = A[B,C] + [A,C]B
[A,BC]=B[A,C] + [A,B]C
(one possible source: http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/chem120a/extra/commutator.pdf)

Thus, [Lx2,Ly2] = [LxLx, Ly2] = Lx[Lx,Ly2]+[Lx,Ly2]Lx
Then you compute the [Lx,Ly2], which decomposes as a sum of products of Ly and [Lx,Ly].
Notice that the latter do not commute, as [Lx,Ly] ~ Lx, but the whole thing unravels.

I didn't try to go to the end with this, but I believe it should work.

Regards,
Joseph Shtok
 
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