Question regarding direction of torque

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The discussion revolves around understanding the direction of torque in a force and couple system. The original poster is confused about how to determine positive and negative moments for the forces involved. Clarification is provided that positive moments are defined as counterclockwise with respect to point O, and that the sign of the moment arm also influences the direction of the moment. It is emphasized that both the force and the distance from the axis of rotation are critical in calculating moments. The poster ultimately realizes the importance of considering the direction of distance in their calculations.
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Homework Statement


Replace the force and couple system shown by an equivalent resultant force and couple moment acting at point O.
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The solution being:
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I understand the force summation, but I'm a bit confused about the direction for the moment summation.


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I don't know how they determined which components had positive or negative moments. The x components on the two forces are in the same direction, but the moment of force is positive for one and negative for the other. I thought it would have been:
(3kN)sin(30)(0.2m) - (3kN)cos(30)(0.1) - (3/5)(5 kN)(0.1m) - (4/5)(5 kN)(0.5m) - (4kN)(0.2m)


Thank you.
 
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In the problem statement, positive moments are taken counterclockwise w.r.t. point O.

The moments of the horizontal components of the two force vectors have the opposite sign because they are applied on different sides of the x-axis. It does take a certain amount of visualization to see how forces will create moments. After all, the magnitude of a moment is the product of the force and the distance which this force acts from the axis of rotation,

M = F * d.

The direction of the force is not the sole determinant of the direction of the moment: the sign of the moment arm d also plays a role.
 
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Thank you for the prompt response SteamKing. I had a feeling that distance had some role, but I was under the erroneous impression that it either relied on distance or the force. I'll reattempt the problem now.

Edit:
It took me awhile to get it. I had always treated the distance to be a scalar without direction. I've gotten the hang of it by applying by negating what I know would would take place in the first quadrant.
 
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