Question regarding distance traveled up an incline?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance a bobsled travels up a 30-degree incline before stopping, given an initial speed of 25.0 m/s and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.60. Participants emphasize the importance of incorporating gravitational potential energy (PE) into the energy conservation equation, which includes both kinetic energy (KE) and work done by friction. One user suggests a formula but is advised to derive a custom equation based on the specific problem rather than relying on pre-existing formulas. The conversation highlights the need to understand the principles behind energy conservation and the role of friction and gravitational forces in the scenario. Ultimately, a thorough grasp of these concepts is essential for accurately solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


After a bobsled race, the sled and riders have been partially slowed down up in an icy incline, but they need to be brought to a stop. This happens on a portion of track inclined at 30 degrees that has a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.60. The sled enters the incline at 25.0 m/s. How far does it travel along the incline before stopping?

Homework Equations


(1/2)mv(final)^2 - (1/2)mv(initial)^2 = Ffriction

The Attempt at a Solution


Im not sure how to incorporate the angle of the incline, but as an attempt, i did
1/2vi^2=FG(cos 30) d
and i got 88.3 m. I'm not sure if that's right...
 
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Looks like you're using an energy approach. Good. But don't forget gravitational PE, which increases as the sled goes up the incline.
 
How would you incorporate gravitational PE? and also, would the formula
d = vi^2 / [2g(sin30 + ucos30)] work?
 
choyphin said:
How would you incorporate gravitational PE?
What's the definition of gravitational PE? How do you calculate it?
and also, would the formula
d = vi^2 / [2g(sin30 + ucos30)] work?
I would advise against looking for a formula to plug into unless you fully understand what the formula means. Better to stick with the basics and derive your own formula, tailor-made to the specific problem. (That formula is close, but not quite right, anyway.)

The basic idea that you want to use is energy conservation:
Energy(initial) + Work done by friction(which is negative) = Energy(final)

Here "Energy" means total mechanical energy: KE + PE.
 
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