Question regarding the continuity of functions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of continuity of functions in calculus. Participants are examining the definition of continuity, specifically the condition that states a function is continuous at a point if the limit as x approaches that point equals the function's value at that point. There is also mention of how continuity may be influenced by the function's domain.

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  • Participants are questioning the completeness of the definition of continuity and whether it holds true when considering the allowed domains of functions. Some express confusion about how continuity is assessed based on domain restrictions and whether this affects the validity of the standard definition.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the requirements for continuity at a point and exploring the implications of domain restrictions. Some have offered clarifications regarding the conditions necessary for a function to be continuous, while others are still seeking to understand the relationship between continuity and domain more deeply.

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There are references to different sources and definitions of continuity, which may lead to varying interpretations among participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the reliability of their sources and the implications of domain on continuity.

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Homework Statement



so a function was only continuous if and only if lim x ---> a = f(a)

but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. Does that mean the first definition fails if the domains of where the rule fails are explicitly stated or when using a "familiar" parent graph?


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the book I read,the humongus of calculus, said but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. The book doesn`t seem to serious with math. I don`t know how to approach this. I think the book meant to say that this only applies to continuity over an interval rather than the meaning a whole function was continuous.
 
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new_at_math said:

Homework Statement



so a function was only continuous if and only if lim x ---> a = f(a)

but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. Does that mean the first definition fails if the domains of where the rule fails are explicitly stated or when using a "familiar" parent graph?

Homework Equations



refer to above

The Attempt at a Solution



the book I read,the humongus of calculus, said but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. The book doesn`t seem to serious with math. I don`t know how to approach this. I think the book meant to say that this only applies to continuity over an interval rather than the meaning a whole function was continuous.

Your first statement defines continuity at x=a. f needs to be defined in an open interval around x=a for that to work. Other than that I don't know what the 'allowed domains' thing is about. Can you quote something? Being continuous at a point is certainly different from being continuous everywhere. Is that what you are getting at?
 
new_at_math said:

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so a function was only continuous if and only if lim x ---> a = f(a)
As written, this doesn't mean what you're trying to say - you left part out. It should be like so:
$$\lim_{x \to a}f(x) = f(a)$$
new_at_math said:
but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. Does that mean the first definition fails if the domains of where the rule fails are explicitly stated or when using a "familiar" parent graph?


Homework Equations



refer to above

The Attempt at a Solution



the book I read,the humongus of calculus, said but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. The book doesn`t seem to serious with math. I don`t know how to approach this. I think the book meant to say that this only applies to continuity over an interval rather than the meaning a whole function was continuous.
 
new_at_math said:
so a function was only continuous if and only if lim x ---> a = f(a)
If this is supposed to define continuity of a function at a, you're missing some details. If I remember correctly, for a function to be continuous at a, three conditions have to be satisfied:
1. f(a) is defined.
2. \lim_{x \to a}f(x) exists.
3. \lim_{x \to a}f(x) = f(a)

For a function to be continuous in some open interval (a, b), the function has to be continuous at every point in the interval.
 
new_at_math said:

Homework Statement



so a function was only continuous if and only if lim x ---> a = f(a)

<br /> \lim_{x \to a} f(x) = f(a)<br />

but I read some other books saying a functions continuity can only be judged based on their allowed domains. Does that mean the first definition fails if the domains of where the rule fails are explicitly stated or when using a "familiar" parent graph?

The domain of a function is part of its definition. A function is defined at all points of its domain and is undefined everywhere else. A function can't be continuous at a point outside its domain because its value is not defined there.

The formal definition of continuity of a real function is that f: U \subset \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} is continuous at a \in U if and only if for all \epsilon &gt; 0 there exists \delta &gt; 0 such that for all x \in U, if |x - a| &lt; \delta then |f(x) - f(a)| &lt; \epsilon.

The definition does not require that (a - \delta, a + \delta) \subset U. Indeed it may happen that U \cap (a - \delta, a + \delta) = \{a\}, in which case f being continuous as a tells you nothing about its values at any other points in U.

Thus, for example, any f: U = (-\infty, 1] \cup \{2\} \cup [3, \infty) \to \mathbb{R} is continuous at 2, because for all x \in U, if |x - 2| &lt; \frac12 then x = 2. Thus for all x \in U, if |x - 2| &lt; \frac12 then |f(x) - f(2)| = 0.
 

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