Questions on light and photoelectric effect

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, the behavior of electrons in metals, and the line emission spectrum of hydrogen. Participants explore the origins of emitted electrons, the implications of electron loss on metal charge, and the mechanics behind spectral lines in atomic emissions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question where the electrons come from when a metal emits them due to light exposure and whether the metal gains a positive charge as a result.
  • There is speculation about the possibility of a metal losing all its electrons through the photoelectric effect, with one participant suggesting that tightly bound electrons could be removed using high-energy sources like x-rays.
  • Participants discuss whether electricity passing through a power cable results in the loss of electrons from the copper or if it merely carries electrons from another source.
  • One participant clarifies that hydrogen gas in discharge tubes consists of many atoms, which can absorb and release energy, leading to a series of spectral lines.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used for grounding versus earthing, indicating regional differences in language.
  • Some participants propose that each line in a spectrum corresponds to an electron transitioning between specific energy levels, with the Lyman series involving transitions from multiple energy levels to the ground state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the grounding terminology and the mechanics of the photoelectric effect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of electron loss on metal charge and the specifics of spectral line generation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about electron behavior, the definitions of grounding versus earthing, and the conditions under which electrons can be emitted or lost.

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1. When a certain metal reflects a certain frequency of light, it will kock loose electrons and emit them. Where exactly do these electrons come from? If a metal emits electrons, doesn't that metal eventually gain a positive charge of some sort? Is it possible for piece of metal to lise all of its electrons through the photoelectric effect?


2. Similar to the question above: when electricity is passing through a power cable, does the copper in that cable lose their electrons or just carry them from another source?

3. Question on line emission spectrum: does each line in a spectrum represent an electron releasing a photon from a specific energy level? How can one hydrogen atom release an entire series of lines (i.e. Lyman series) if it only has one electron to emit energy for one specific line? The Lyman series of lines has electrons dropping to ground-states from five different energy levels.

Thanks!
 
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esvion said:
1. When a certain metal reflects a certain frequency of light, it will kock loose electrons and emit them. Where exactly do these electrons come from? If a metal emits electrons, doesn't that metal eventually gain a positive charge of some sort? Is it possible for piece of metal to lise all of its electrons through the photoelectric effect?


2. Similar to the question above: when electricity is passing through a power cable, does the copper in that cable lose their electrons or just carry them from another source?

In both cases, the metal/cathode are grounded.

3. Question on line emission spectrum: does each line in a spectrum represent an electron releasing a photon from a specific energy level? How can one hydrogen atom release an entire series of lines (i.e. Lyman series) if it only has one electron to emit energy for one specific line? The Lyman series of lines has electrons dropping to ground-states from five different energy levels.

Thanks!

A hydrogen gas that you normally use in discharge tubes consists of many hydrogen atoms/molecules, not just one. When you supply energy to them, they all have a distribution of energy that they have absorbed, and thus, can release. You are not looking at just one hydrogen atom.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
In both cases, the metal/cathode are grounded.

I am not familiar with that term. You mean they have connections into the earth?
 
Yes. English-speaking people on the eastern side of the Atlantic say "earthed." People on the western side say "grounded."
 
Not really, I'm from the eastern side and I learned it as "grounded".
 
esvion said:
1. When a certain metal reflects a certain frequency of light, it will kock loose electrons and emit them. Where exactly do these electrons come from? If a metal emits electrons, doesn't that metal eventually gain a positive charge of some sort? Is it possible for piece of metal to lise all of its electrons through the photoelectric effect?

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The electrons (initially) come from the conduction band of the metal- they are essentially electrons that are free to move anywhere they want to.As the conduction band is depleted, the energy required to remove additional electrons increases, meaning the illumination wavelength must decrease. It's possible to remove tightly bound electrons from atoms with x-rays, so I'd imagine that if you tried, you could indeed strip out all the conduction electrons and many of the valence electrons by the photoelectric effect. At some point, you could not supply enough energy to remove an additional electron.


esvion said:
3. Question on line emission spectrum: does each line in a spectrum represent an electron releasing a photon from a specific energy level? How can one hydrogen atom release an entire series of lines (i.e. Lyman series) if it only has one electron to emit energy for one specific line? The Lyman series of lines has electrons dropping to ground-states from five different energy levels.

Thanks!

Yes- and the series is generated by using different wavelengths of excitation illumination- this moves electrons to different excited states, allowing for the emission lines to appear.
 

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