Questions Regarding Effect of Nucleation in Phase Change

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Nucleation is a critical phenomenon in phase changes such as freezing, melting, evaporation, and condensation. In equilibrium, individual molecules at the liquid-vapor interface can enter and leave without requiring nucleation, but nucleation sites are necessary for condensation to occur when the system is supersaturated. The discussion raises questions about the thermodynamic criteria for spontaneity, specifically why dG < 0 is used to indicate spontaneous phase changes despite the initial energy increase required for nucleation. Understanding the distinction between differential free energy (dG) and the overall change in free energy (ΔG) is essential in this context. The relationship between nucleation and phase change remains a complex topic requiring further exploration.
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1. Is nucleation a phenomenon that occurs in all phase change (freezing/melting, evaporation/condensation)?

2. I've always read evaporation/condensation described as a liquid-vapour interface phenomenon (water molecules going entering-leaving the interface at equal rates in equilibrium). If evaporation/condensation require nucleation, doesn't this mean that if I lower the temperature of a liquid-vapour system at equilibrium, condensation will occur on the nucleation site in the chamber (and if no nucleation sites are present the system will supersaturate) as opposed just going into the liquid?

3. This is more of a general question about free energy. When there is a phase disequilibrium, I get that the spontaneous process is one where dG < 0. However, since nucleation (and other processes) requires an temporary rise in free energy (to create the nucleus), why do we use the criterion that dG < 0 (a differential) as opposed to ΔG (between initial and final state)?

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1/2. I'm basically wondering if nucleation is a requirement for phase change. For instance, when liquid water is at equilibrium with its vapour, does individual molecules simply enter/leave the interface, or does nuclei have to form to induce the phase change?

3. Thermodynamically, I'm wondering what the difference between dG and ΔG is and why we use dG < 0 to describe whether phase change is spontaneous, when by nucleation theory phase change requires free energy to increase (to form the nucleus) before decreasing.
 
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