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The discussion revolves around the concept of elementary row operations in linear algebra, specifically regarding their application to matrices and the implications of notation used during row reduction.

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  • The original poster questions whether elementary row operations can be performed on a matrix without altering it, particularly in the context of row reduction. Some participants explore the relationship between row operations and the representation of systems of equations.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the meaning of notation used in row reduction and discussing the implications of using different symbols, such as the equal sign versus an equivalence symbol. There is an exploration of how these symbols affect the interpretation of operations performed on matrices.

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There is mention of specific instructions from a teaching assistant regarding the use of symbols in matrix notation, which has led to some confusion among participants about the proper application of row operations.

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Hello guys,
I am wondering, could a elementary row operation be done to a matrix without changing it.

I know that if we have the SYSTEM, then we could exchange rows, scalar multiplication of a row, linear combination of one rows.

but if we are only given a matrix, and we are asked to row reduce that matrix, could we still do scalar multiplication of a rows, exchange rows, etc?

Thank you
 
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Yup. You can think of row-reducing a matrix by itself as essentially solving the system Ax=0, which is something you might want to do to show that vectors are linearly independent, that the kernel of a linear map is trivial, etc. There's really no point in tacking on a column of zeros to form an enhanced matrix since the row operations will leave it unchanged.
 
vela said:
Yup. You can think of row-reducing a matrix by itself as essentially solving the system Ax=0, which is something you might want to do to show that vectors are linearly independent, that the kernel of a linear map is trivial, etc. There's really no point in tacking on a column of zeros to form an enhanced matrix since the row operations will leave it unchanged.

Thank you for your reply.
I remember my TA told me that when we are doing row reduction for a matrix, we must use this symbol "→", not "=", or else marks will be reduced.
I ask him why, but I not exactly remember what he said.

so, I got confuse, ... because of this symbol, sometimes when I am asked to reduce a matrix, I afraid of exchanging rows, etc, because I thought it's not a system.

thank you, very helpful
 
Your TA said that because the equal sign has a specific meaning. If you write, for example,
[tex]\begin{pmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 3 & 4 \end{pmatrix},[/tex] it means that a=1, b=2, c=3, and d=4. If you have the matrix [itex]\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 1 & 3 \end{pmatrix}[/itex] and you subtract row 1 from row 2, it wouldn't make sense to write
[tex]\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 1 & 3 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 \\ 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex] because you'd be saying that 1=0 and 3=1, which is obviously nonsense.
 
The symbol for equivalence is used more often, I believe. In fact, I don't recall seeing an arrow used in this context.

Using vela's example, we would have
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1&2 \\ 1 & 3\end{bmatrix} \equiv \begin{bmatrix}1&2 \\ 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Here the two matrices are equivalent.
The first matrix could represent the system of equations
x + 2y = 0
x + 3y = 0

The system above is equivalent to this system:
x + 2y = 0
0x + y = 0

Notice that it wouldn't make any sense to call the two systems of equations "equal."
 

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