Radiation of an accelerating charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the radiation emitted by a uniformly accelerating point charge, particularly focusing on the implications of different reference frames, including co-moving and non-inertial frames. Participants explore the complexities of electromagnetic radiation in these contexts, questioning the nature of acceleration and its effects on radiation perception.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a point charge accelerating uniformly does not radiate in the co-moving frame since it remains at rest in that frame.
  • Others argue that the charge does radiate, as acceleration is absolute and can be detected by the force felt in an accelerating frame.
  • A participant notes the confusion surrounding the term "EM radiation" in non-inertial frames, emphasizing that traditional formulations are based on inertial frames and may not apply directly to non-inertial contexts.
  • It is mentioned that while there may be formulas for electromagnetic fields in inertial frames, a general formula for non-inertial frames is not widely recognized or established.
  • A later reply references a paper in the American Journal of Physics that discusses the electromagnetic field of a uniformly accelerating point particle, indicating the complexity of the topic.
  • Another participant provides links to the paper by Franklin and Griffiths, suggesting it may contain relevant insights into the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether an accelerating charge radiates in a co-moving frame, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of applying traditional electromagnetic theory to non-inertial frames, noting the challenges and potential gaps in understanding that exist in this area.

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Suppose a point charge is accelerating uniformly. It emits EM radiation.

If an observer is co-moving with the point charge, the point charge remains at rest in his/her frame.
So I guess it does not radiate relative to the co-moving frame.

But someone told me that acceleration is absolute (something like that), and therefore the charge iis still radiating in the co-moving frame. So which one is correct ?
 
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It radiates. And one can tell one is in an accelerating frame because one feels a force.
 
HAMJOOP said:
Suppose a point charge is accelerating uniformly. It emits EM radiation.

If an observer is co-moving with the point charge, the point charge remains at rest in his/her frame.
So I guess it does not radiate relative to the co-moving frame.

But someone told me that acceleration is absolute (something like that), and therefore the charge iis still radiating in the co-moving frame. So which one is correct ?

This is a confusing topic, because there is no generally agreed meaning to the word "EM radiation" with respect to non-inertial frame of reference. EM field and EM radiation are in practice always talked about in the context of inertial frame, because there they are quite well understood with Maxwell's equations and the Lorentz force formula.

The formula that gives the component of EM field we call EM radiation (the part falling off as ##1/r##) says the field in an inertial frame is the higher the higher the acceleration of the charged particle in that same frame. There is no such formula generally known for non-inertial frames. It surely can be derived and perhaps has already been published in some obscure paper of textbook, but it is not generally acknowledged. This is partly because description in non-inertial frames is difficult, and partly because the focus has traditionally been on description in inertial frame, which is quite successful and often sufficient. For example, it is sufficient to describe radiation of an antenna or of the Sun in the frame of the Earth, because that is where we live. Corresponding description of EM field in the frame of some oscillating electron does not seem too useful.

But it is interesting project to do so anyway. As soon as we jump into accelerated frame of reference, everything changes. Maxwell's equations are not longer valid, non-electromagnetic forces appear etc. One way to find out how things are to be described and talked about in non-inertial frame is to calculate everything in inertial frame and use transformation between the two frames. This is complicated and demanding task. I do not think there has been much success in understanding electromagnetic theory in non-inertial frames, but I could be wrong.
 
In the current issue of Am. J. Physics there's a paper by Griffiths et al on the em. field of the uniformly accelerating point particle. It's highly non trivial, as is worked out there in detail.
 
vanhees71 said:
In the current issue of Am. J. Physics there's a paper by Griffiths et al on the em. field of the uniformly accelerating point particle. It's highly non trivial, as is worked out there in detail.

Do you happen to have a link to the paper? Thanks.
 

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