Radio waves vs material & shape

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of radio waves, specifically at a frequency of around 1900 MHz, when confined within an aluminum box. Participants explore how to modify the box to allow radio waves to escape, considering factors such as hole size, shape, and material properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether radio waves would pass through an aluminum box or simply bounce off its walls.
  • There is a suggestion that cutting a hole in the box could improve signal escape, with considerations about the size and shape of the hole.
  • One participant notes that a cellphone's performance would be reduced in a mostly enclosed box, and proposes that a slot of half the wavelength could act as a radiator to allow some radiation to escape.
  • Another participant mentions that a solid metal box should block electromagnetic waves unless the metal is very thin, and that holes much larger than the wavelength would allow waves to escape.
  • A reference to Faraday cages is made, highlighting their use in blocking electromagnetic radiation and suggesting that internally generated waves behave similarly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the effectiveness of different modifications to the aluminum box, with no consensus reached regarding the best approach to maximize signal escape.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the impact of hole size relative to the wavelength of the radio waves, as well as the effects of the box's material properties on signal transmission, without resolving the implications of these factors.

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What happens when radio waves of around 1900mhz (cell phone) is confined in an aluminum box. Will the waves be able to pass through the box to the outside.

What would be the best way to get the waves to the outside of the box with only modifying the box. If i cut a hole would that improve how much signal is escaping the box . Also depending on the size of the hole and the shape. What about a non conductive coating on the aluminum...
 
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Would the waves just bounce off the walls of the aluminum box. What if there was a hole in the box.

Basiclly I am trying to still have the aluminum box but have as much signal pass through it as possible.
 
Your cellphone will work with much reduced performance in a box with an opening--basically the more metal you put around and near it, the worse it will perform. If you need a mostly-enclosed box, then add a slot that is onehalf the wavelength λ. This will act as a radiator (antenna) that will permit some radiation to escape. You can compute wavelength from frequency as [tex]\lambda=\frac{c}{f}[/tex] where f is the frequency and c is the speed of light. Since you are perturbing the phone antenna's by putting metal near it, and since the slot is in its near field region, I wouldn't expect very good performance.
 
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Faraday cages are used to block electromagnetic radiation and protect interior electronics..even from lightning strikes...you might find this discussion of Faraday Cages of interest...has some practical insights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_box


while they discuss exterior electromagnetic waves, obviously internally generated waves are blocked/transmitted similarly.
 
A solid metal box should not allow electromagnetic waves to escape unless the metal is too thin like a coating or something. If you make a hole or holes in the box whose size is much larger than the wavelength then the waves can escape.
 

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