Radon transform, Buffon's needle and Integral geometry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the connection between the Radon transform and Buffon's needle within the context of integral geometry. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and relationships between these concepts, touching on aspects of probability and integration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while both the Radon transform and Buffon's needle are described as branches of integral geometry, the exact connection between them remains unclear.
  • Another participant discusses the abstract perspective of probability distributions as measures on spaces and how integration relates to these measures, suggesting a conceptual framework for understanding the connection.
  • This participant elaborates on the relationship between expected values and integrals, emphasizing the role of measures in probability theory.
  • A later reply expresses ongoing confusion and a search for clearer answers regarding the connection.
  • Another participant claims to have found an answer, referencing a specific solution that addresses the connection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the connection between the Radon transform and Buffon's needle, with some expressing confusion and others suggesting potential frameworks for understanding the relationship.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of integrating concepts from probability and geometry, with participants acknowledging the need for further clarification on the connections and underlying assumptions.

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In all the literature that I have seen it is mentioned that these two are "branches" of integral geometry, but no where I can see the exact connection since one is connected with probability and the other is an integral.

I have seen this, but it is not clear.

http://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/X-ray_transform


Can somebody explain the connection in a clear way. Thanks
 
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While we're waiting for someone who really knows the answer, I'll make some comments.

From the abstract point of vew, a probability distribution is a "measure" on a space of things. When you do integration from the abstract point of view, you integrate functions on a space of things with respect of a "measure" on the space. Much of probability theory (such as finding the expected value of a random variable, the variance of a random variable etc.) involves doing integrals. If p(x) is a probability density function on the real line, you can regard the expected value of E(f(x)) = \int f(x) p(x) dx as the integral of the product f(x)p(x) with respect to the ordinary way of measuring length on the real line (denoted by dx) or you can regard it as an integral of f(x) with respect to another way of assigning a "measure" to an interval on the real line given by p(x) dx.

The high class way to think about E(f(x)) is to think about it as an integral of f(x) with respect to the measure p(x) dx because this view generalizes to cases where integration with respect to the ordinary notion of length doesn't work. For example, suppose X is a random variable realized as follows. Flip a fair coin. If the coin lands heads then X = 1/3. If the coin lands tails then pick the value of X from a uniform distribution on [0,1]. To find the expected value of X you can't do a simple Riemann integral since it would assign zero length to the point 1/3 and the correct calculation of the expected value of X somehow has to justify adding the term (1/2)(1/3) to the result. If you think about a kind of measure on the real line where the point 1/3 has measure 1/2 then you can justify doing that.

So there is an intimate connection between integration and measures. A probability disribution defines a special kind of measure.

If a transform is defined conceptually as an integration "over all possible lines" that satisfy a certain condition, you may be able to parameterize such a line by an n-tuple of real numbers and do an n-variable Riemann integral in the ordinary way, thinking of the measure as the ordinary measure of n-dimensional volume. But if parameterizing the integral of f(x,y,z...) that way introduces other functions as factors in the integral, the high class way of thinking about it may be to think of those factors as defining a new sort of measure on the space of lines. Someone who really knows integral geometry will have to comment on whether that's the way to look at it.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I am still searching for answers, it is getting a bit complicated.
 
I have found an answer for it in here. The connection is in the second solution.
 

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