Raising temperature with no external work applied

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In a closed system with three bodies at different temperatures (200 K, 400 K, and 400 K), it is possible to raise the temperature of the lowest body to a maximum of 488 K using heat engines without external work or heat input. The discussion highlights the importance of energy conservation and the efficiency of heat transfer between the bodies. By operating heat engines between the bodies, work can be extracted and redistributed, but the process must adhere to thermodynamic principles. The concept of a conserved quantity, likely energy, is crucial in demonstrating that no process can exceed the calculated maximum temperature. Ultimately, the maximum achievable temperature is closely approximated at 488 K, emphasizing the limits imposed by thermodynamic laws.
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Homework Statement


A system consists of three bodies with the same heat capacity. These are
initially at 200 K,400 K and 400 K respectively. Show that, without the
supply of any mechanical energy or heat from outside the system, the highest
temperature to which any of the bodies can be raised by operating heat
engines between them is 488 K.



Homework Equations


efficiency = 1- (Tc/Th)
dU=dQ-dW

The Attempt at a Solution


I believe the solution may have something to do with the work lost in one heat engine being used as useful work in another.
 
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With A=200K, B=400K, C=400K, you could heat A and cool B - this gives work to heat C and cool B. And if you find a quantity which is conserved in such a process, you can show that no other process can be better.
 
I would add that the OP can assume TCfinal = 488K and work back to show that the "conserved quantity" is indeed conserved, rather than solve for TCfinal = 488 K.
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488 is not the exact answer, but it is possible to show that it has to be close to 488 with that approach.
 
Ok I'm guessing the conserved quantity is energy and the rounding error may be from 487.5 which is like 7/8 but I'm not sure how to prove this.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
Ok I'm guessing the conserved quantity is energy and the rounding error may be from 487.5 which is like 7/8 but I'm not sure how to prove this.
Since it's a closed system, energy will be conserved. E.g. you could just let two bodies equalise in temperature. What thermodynamic quantity is conserved in 100% efficient processes?
 
Energy conserved, but there is another conserved quantity, which is very important in thermodynamics.
Energy conservation alone would allow to cool two bodies to 0K and to heat the third one to 1000K.
 
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