Rank of S-K*identity: What is the rank of S-K*identity matrix?

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The discussion revolves around determining the rank of the matrix S minus k times the identity matrix, where S is defined with specific elements involving variables x, a, b, and c. The original poster attempts to perform row reduction to find the rank and is unsure about the implications of their results.

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  • Participants discuss row reduction techniques and the implications of obtaining a zero row. There are questions about the notation used for the variables and the nature of the rank being stated as 3. Some participants explore the relationship between the determinant of S and its rank, while others question the assumptions regarding the eigenvalues and their impact on the rank.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and clarifications. Some have offered guidance on interpreting the rank in relation to eigenvalues, while others are still exploring the implications of the original poster's findings. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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There are constraints regarding the values of the variables a, b, c, and k, which are not identically zero. The original poster's question is noted to be potentially mis-stated, leading to further exploration of the conditions under which the rank is considered.

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Originally posted in a technical math section, so missing the template
Let S = [ x x x x ; a x x x ; 0 b x x ; 0 0 c x]
Find the rank of S-K*identity.

Attempt I basically did straight forward row reduction and got

[ (x-k) x x x ; 0 ((x-k)^2-ax)/(x-k) x-ax/(1-k) a- ax/(1-k); 0 0 (x-k)-b[x(x-k)-ax]/ [(x-k)^2-ax] (x-k)-b[x(x-k)-ax]/[(x-k)^2-ax]; 0 0 0 [(x-k)^2-ax(x-k)-c]/[(x-k)^2 -ax] ]

It is given that the rank is 3. I am not sure how to prove this. Shouldn't I have gotten a zero row when row reducing?

Are there any alternatives to find the rank of a matrix like finding the upper bound of the rank is 3 and the lower bound for the rank is 3?
 
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I don't understand your notation. I assume that "a", "b", and "c" are numbers but what about "x" is it simply another number?
 
Oh Sorry! X can be any number. a,b,c are non zero numbers.
 
hellokitten said:
Let S = [ x x x x ; a x x x ; 0 b x x ; 0 0 c x]
Find the rank of S-K*identity.

Attempt I basically did straight forward row reduction and got

[ (x-k) x x x ; 0 ((x-k)^2-ax)/(x-k) x-ax/(1-k) a- ax/(1-k); 0 0 (x-k)-b[x(x-k)-ax]/ [(x-k)^2-ax] (x-k)-b[x(x-k)-ax]/[(x-k)^2-ax]; 0 0 0 [(x-k)^2-ax(x-k)-c]/[(x-k)^2 -ax] ]

It is given that the rank is 3. I am not sure how to prove this. Shouldn't I have gotten a zero row when row reducing?

Are there any alternatives to find the rank of a matrix like finding the upper bound of the rank is 3 and the lower bound for the rank is 3?

The determinant of ##S## has the form
\det(S) = x^4 + f_3 x^3 + f_2 x^2 + f_1 x + k^4,
where the ##f_i## are polynomials in ##a,b,c,k##. For any given value of ##k,a,b,c## the determinant cannot be identically zero for all ##x##, but it may equal zero for at most 4 real values of ##x## (and maybe for no real values of ##x## at all). What does this tell you about the rank in general?

I am not really sure how to interpret your question, where you say "it is given that the rank is 3". Does that mean that the person posing the question thinks the rank is always 3, or does it mean you are told the rank is 3 and are then required to say something about ##a,b,c,k,x##?
 
Ray Vickson said:
The determinant of ##S## has the form
\det(S) = x^4 + f_3 x^3 + f_2 x^2 + f_1 x + k^4,
where the ##f_i## are polynomials in ##a,b,c,k##. For any given value of ##k,a,b,c## the determinant cannot be identically zero for all ##x##, but it may equal zero for at most 4 real values of ##x## (and maybe for no real values of ##x## at all). What does this tell you about the rank in general?

I am not really sure how to interpret your question, where you say "it is given that the rank is 3". Does that mean that the person posing the question thinks the rank is always 3, or does it mean you are told the rank is 3 and are then required to say something about ##a,b,c,k,x##?

K,a,b,c is not identically zero then det(S) =/= 0 => S is full rank.

The question stated to verify that the rank of S-I*lamda = 3. This is needed to prove the geometric multiplicity. of lamda =1.
 
hellokitten said:
K,a,b,c is not identically zero then det(S) =/= 0 => S is full rank.

The question stated to verify that the rank of S-I*lamda = 3. This is needed to prove the geometric multiplicity. of lamda =1.

OK: the question is mis-stated, but that can be fixed. A proper statement is that "If k is an eigenvalue of S, then S - kI has rank 3". (Of course, if k is an eigenvalue of S then the rank of S-kI is < 4, but you want it to = 3 exactly). I have not checked your row-reduction in your first post, but I think what you need to do is to show that there can be at most one zero row of the reduced matrix; that is, if one row = 0 the other three must be non-zero.
 
Ray Vickson said:
OK: the question is mis-stated, but that can be fixed. A proper statement is that "If k is an eigenvalue of S, then S - kI has rank 3". (Of course, if k is an eigenvalue of S then the rank of S-kI is < 4, but you want it to = 3 exactly). I have not checked your row-reduction in your first post, but I think what you need to do is to show that there can be at most one zero row of the reduced matrix; that is, if one row = 0 the other three must be non-zero.

Why does having k as an eigenvalue of S automatically mean that the rank of S-KI < 4?
 
Nevermind. I got it! Thanks!
 

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